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Old 04-20-2016, 08:13 PM   #31
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Has anyone on here actually scraped an unlifted Escape? It's interesting to me that the Un-lifted ground clearance is close to 10". That is almost exactly what a Jeep Wrangler Unlimited Rubicon has stock. So in 99% of cases you will hang up on something with the tow vehicle before the trailer hits anything even with no lift. I haven't seen pics, but I assume this is a body lift only so the axle is still the lowest point in either configuration?
I agree. Ground clearance is rarely an issue with travel trailers of any brand, and when it it, the part hanging up is usually waste plumbing, not the axle. The lift kit is not quite a body lift (in offroad vehicle terms) because it is not between the frame and body; it is like the kits which lift independent front suspension by inserting spacing frames between the suspension crossmember and the frame, or a bit like spacer blocks over the axle in a spring-over-axle leaf-spring setup.

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The above only applies to traversing obstacles (rocks, stumps, etc) on flat ground. The breakover angle is always the biggest problem with trailers because of the long lever in front of and behind the axle.
Again, I agree (except that it is departure and breakover angles), and that's what we have been discussing.

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A 2.5" lift will help that somewhat, but it's not the same as lifting a vehicle that has 4 wheels on the corners with much less extension ahead of the front axle and behind the rear. You only have to lift the tongue about 3-4" to remove that 2.5" extra in the back using ballpark geometry. I guess that's pretty significant in the real world.
Right, but if you need more clearance a bit of improvement is better than no improvement, isn't it?

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I only bring this up because I'm struggling with the same issue for my build. My Touareg has oversize BFG A/T tires with about 9" of ground clearance, which seems a good match to the Escape trailers (assuming the 19' has the same clearance). My old 22' trailer had less ground clearance with those metal things on the back that prevent the back of the trailer from dragging on the ground. When I sold it they were still unscratched and pristine despite having gone off-road a bit in the desert.
Many trailers have the floor right over top of the tires, so the frame is quite high. Escapes are set lower (which I like for ease of entry and other reasons). The stepped-up rear frame section helps, but the Escape is still relatively low. What was the height to those skids on the old trailer, compared to the height to the bottom of the bumper on an Escape 19'?
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Old 04-20-2016, 08:19 PM   #32
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Has anyone on here actually scraped an unlifted Escape? It's interesting to me that the Un-lifted ground clearance is close to 10". That is almost exactly what a Jeep Wrangler Unlimited Rubicon has stock. So in 99% of cases you will hang up on something with the tow vehicle before the trailer hits anything even with no lift. I haven't seen pics, but I assume this is a body lift only so the axle is still the lowest point in either configuration?

The above only applies to traversing obstacles (rocks, stumps, etc) on flat ground. The breakover angle is always the biggest problem with trailers because of the long lever in front of and behind the axle. A 2.5" lift will help that somewhat, but it's not the same as lifting a vehicle that has 4 wheels on the corners with much less extension ahead of the front axle and behind the rear. You only have to lift the tongue about 3-4" to remove that 2.5" extra in the back using ballpark geometry. I guess that's pretty significant in the real world.

I only bring this up because I'm struggling with the same issue for my build. My Touareg has oversize BFG A/T tires with about 9" of ground clearance, which seems a good match to the Escape trailers (assuming the 19' has the same clearance). My old 22' trailer had less ground clearance with those metal things on the back that prevent the back of the trailer from dragging on the ground. When I sold it they were still unscratched and pristine despite having gone off-road a bit in the desert.
great post. great info. thanks for sharing.

interested to see what people say.....
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Old 04-20-2016, 08:54 PM   #33
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I want to reiterate that the up to 2 inches of spray foam insulation was the main reason for my concern about clearance, though the front jacks were also a bit low in my estimate. I may have been less likely to go with the lift kit if I didn't have the added foam. I think people need to consider how likely they are to take their Escape down roads with big dips and pot holes. We fall into that category.

I understand that the ends of the trailer are still able to tip closer to the ground due to either how the trailer is levelled or how the hitch bobs up and down on a rough road. I do feel a bit better even though the added clearance is only 2 5/8".

I too would love to hear if any rough road riders have damaged the underside of their Escape, and whether they had the foam insulation.

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Old 04-20-2016, 09:02 PM   #34
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Our first Escape was a 17B that was lowered by the first owner to fit in his garage. We boondocked a bit with it and never had an issue with it bottoming out.
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Old 04-20-2016, 09:09 PM   #35
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I want to reiterate that the up to 2 inches of spray foam insulation was the main reason for my concern about clearance, though the front jacks were also a bit low in my estimate. ...... I think people need to consider how likely they are to take their Escape down roads with big dips and pot holes. We fall into that category.

...... I too would love to hear if any rough road riders have damaged the underside of their Escape, and whether they had the foam insulation.

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Just to play the devil's advocate, FWIIW

I have towed our Casita down some pretty rutted and crazy muddy wet dirt roads....

but by carefully straddling huge rutts and potholes, I never scraped a thing.

I know that sometimes there are side clearance issues.... but in my experience the worst of the dangers can be cleverly avoided by straddling / angling / weaving around dangers.
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Old 04-20-2016, 10:07 PM   #36
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okay a few random thoughts why might get lift for Escape 19 and let you the rv trailer experts educate me....I checked out a Casita a bit and if I remember they told me it was about 21 inches hitch ball height with the high lift option, which they also told me was one of the most popular options. The lift seemed very good for the full size truck TV hitch ball height. While the Casita frame is somewhat similar to the Escape with a similar axle mount to frame with plumbing and tanks underneath also similar, it seemed prudent to get something similar on the Escape 19. ETI told me with lift kit ball height was 21.5 inches, so that seems pretty close to the Casita. Casita has no foam and I didn't plan on it immediately for the Escape either for various reasons, granted the Casita trailer is a bit shorter but tires and everything else are similar. Anticipate being somewhat off pavement so the lift option seems prudent. Am I missing something?
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Lift kit for Escape 21

If you don't have the spray foam you should have sufficient clearance for moderately rough roads. And of coarse you will always need to be aware of where your low points are on the trailer as you negotiate the dips and ruts in the road.


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Old 09-19-2016, 11:43 PM   #38
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Hi Bob,

Thanks for taking the time and effort to measure this for me(us). It is appreciated, really.

And, Jim thanks for the insight/warning in the stabilizers. Hadn't thought about that.

I think I'm going to approximate 16' from the hitch to the midpoint between the tires, and have a run at it with my 21'4" board. I got a D in geometry, so wouldn't trust my hypotenuse.

Appreciate it.

Thank you.
Hi Guys,

Just a quick update, and forewarning on the clearance of the trailer.

If you get the WDH, then the L-Bracket becomes your low point on the trailer.

The L-Brackets can be removed, but be forewarned.

It was a scramble here in the dark when we got home from Chilliwack last month.

Thanks.
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Old 09-27-2016, 11:40 PM   #39
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We have the lift kit on our 21 with the foam undercoat. It is a great combination, the foam gives the underside more protection on gravel roads and the extra 2.5 inches makes a big difference. The new style jacks have much more travel than the older scissor style so that isn't really an issue.
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