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08-07-2014, 05:33 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Edmonton, Alberta
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Originally Posted by Floating Cloud
I would not include the tire. Again, as on another thread, Reace does not make the tire and that is not an integral part of what he has made and has to give specs on.
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Warranty and specification issues are quite different. All of those components for which the warranty is covered by the component supplier are still part of the trailer, and thus part of the specs. You would expect that if the specs say that the standard trailer has a particular stove then that appliance would in installed in the trailer and included in the weight specification; the spare tire is no different.
Either
the trailer frame changed and thus the overall length specification just needs an update
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the quoted 19' 6" length is not intended to include the spare, and thus the specification should be "coupler to bumper length" not "overall length"
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it's just a measurement error and the spec sheet should be corrected (from 19' 6" to something like 20' 1")
In any case, Jan's original post gave potential buyers a good heads-up if length is critical to them, and the spec sheet should be corrected to avoid problems in the future.
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Originally Posted by Donna D.
This whole story reminds me of people that want to KNOW what a [enter year here] brand of all molded towable is as far as height or length. They're ALL different depending... you can only be absolutely certain when take measurements for ONE particular trailer.
For instance, the height of my 5.0TA IS different than Vicki A's ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY because she has A/C and I don't. etc., etc., etc.
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That's a good point, but the variation within a model and year is typically in height and weight, due to equipment variations. I can't think of anything which would change the overall length, other than slight variation due to the width of the spare if there is a tire or wheel choice (and I don't think there is a choice which would change that dimension).
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08-07-2014, 05:43 PM
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Commercial Member
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Hillsboro, Oregon
Trailer: 2014 Escape 21 - "Felicity"
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Oregon registration fees are based on overall length defined as bumper back end to coupler front end measurements.
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08-07-2014, 05:50 PM
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#23
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Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Edmonton, Alberta
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tractors1
Oregon registration fees are based on overall length defined as bumper back end to coupler front end measurements.
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That's common. A state doesn't likely care how things are arranged on the trailer, and would not want to get into arguments about exactly where the body starts and stops, so the straightforward approach is to use the overall length.
If it really says "bumper", not the rearmost part of the trailer, it is probably based on an assumption that nothing is further back than the bumper on a trailer. After all, most trailers are for cargo - they don't have spares on the back, because they have a door or ramp for loading across the back.
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08-07-2014, 07:14 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Portland, Oregon
Trailer: 2014 Escape 5.0 TA
Posts: 11,023
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Brian B-P
If it really says "bumper", not the rearmost part of the trailer, it is probably based on an assumption that nothing is further back than the bumper on a trailer. After all, most trailers are for cargo - they don't have spares on the back, because they have a door or ramp for loading across the back.
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Travel trailers are registered and licensed differently than cargo trailers in Oregon.
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08-07-2014, 07:34 PM
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#25
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Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Edmonton, Alberta
Trailer: 2013 19' & 2013 15B
Posts: 2,634
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Brian B-P
...it's just a measurement error and the spec sheet should be corrected (from 19' 6" to something like 20' 1")...
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Of course, then Escape would have to change the name of the trailer from a 19' to a 20'. . Maybe they can send out replacement decals for all of the trailers built to date.
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08-07-2014, 09:25 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Calgary, Alberta
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ice-breaker
Of course, then Escape would have to change the name of the trailer from a 19' to a 20'. . Maybe they can send out replacement decals for all of the trailers built to date.
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Or.....just going to throw this out there. Hook on to the trailer and gp have fun, no matter how you measure it.
BTW, I measured mine a few years ago, and it was 19' 5 3/4". I feel ripped off for the 1/4".
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08-07-2014, 09:29 PM
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Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 579
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim Bennett
Or.....just going to throw this out there. Hook on to the trailer and gp have fun, no matter how you measure it.
BTW, I measured mine a few years ago, and it was 19' 5 3/4". I feel ripped off for the 1/4".
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08-07-2014, 10:10 PM
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#28
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Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Edmonton, Alberta
Trailer: 1979 Boler B1700
Posts: 14,935
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Donna D.
Travel trailers are registered and licensed differently than cargo trailers in Oregon.
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Indeed! Oregon's DOT pages for Campers & Travel Trailers and Light Trailers define a few kinds of trailers, and give different registration rules. Different length rules?
Travel Trailers:
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The length is measured from the foremost point of the trailer hitch to the rear extremity of the trailer body, not including the spare tire.
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This happens to match the ETI measurement of the Escape 19'. Tent Trailers:
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Tent trailers are measured by overall length when folded for travel and any fraction of a foot in length is rounded down to the nearest foot.
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Not so clear, but probably the same as travel trailers... when folded up. Others:I didn't find another length definition, but I don't know what it might be, other than tip to bumper.
To me, the important points are: - you should read your local rules to see what you need to do
- any dimensions quoted should be correct for what they claim to be... for example, overall length should be the overall length.
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08-07-2014, 10:53 PM
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#29
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Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Kamloops, British Columbia
Trailer: 2024 Bigfoot 21RB
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Haven't had a problem with our bathroom door or fridge door opening on route yet. We do not place anything on the bathroom door or fridge door when travelling. I wonder if that could contribute?
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08-07-2014, 11:21 PM
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#30
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Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: North Vancouver, British Columbia
Trailer: 2009 Escape 17B 2020 Toyota Highlander XLE
Posts: 17,136
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It would. And you can even break off a door shelf. I was able to fix mine with some angle aluminum, but they do warn you not to load the door when traveling.
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08-08-2014, 03:04 AM
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Member
Join Date: May 2014
Location: Mill Creek, Washington
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Charlie - which size magnetic latch?
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