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Old 05-19-2011, 01:05 PM   #21
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Re: Questions about 17 vs 19 ft Escape - Toyota Tacoma v6

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Personally, I have found the weights shown on the fiberglassrv.com table to be high compared to my experience. In my four weightings’ I have always been within a 100 lbs of 3,450. I guess I am a minimalist based on my observations above. Do I consciously cut back – Yes. Do I evaluate the usefulness of every item – Yes. I simply do not want to stow and struggle with that 2 ton hydraulic jack I might need, nor do I want the bother of a four way lug wrench. I look for lighter alternatives or go without.

What I like about the tables is, this could be you, and based on the few observations in the table, it seems to be common. Use their numbers for planning.
Thanks Paul for the response. I totally agree that more people need to take a look at that table as I suspect they may be suprised as to what their trailers *really* loaded weight may be. I know I have been suprised at the weight of my current trailer on more than one occasion even though I consider myself to be pretty carefull with what I put in it. I also know also that the Escape 19' owner who recently weighed theirs and talked to me about it after, was more than a little suprised as to the weight as they thought they were minimalist as well.

I appreciate that we all camp differently so weights will vary but when I see the average weight coming in 7-800lbs over the 3100lbs loaded weight that was mentioned here I have to wonder how the 3100lb trailer was actually weighed (was it disconnected from the tow?) or what option &/or standard features it does not have that most others do? Are they carrying all the extra such as bq, chairs etc in the back of their tow? I see a dry weight listed for a 19' as 2510lbs which I suspect (dont know for sure) that does not include things such as empty propane tanks, battery, spare tire etc or optional items. As a result I find it hard to believe that a 19' loaded with full propane tank, food, drinks, clothing, chairs, bq, bedding, towels, hoses, kitchen ware etc and having standard features and one or two optional items that many seem to go for could weigh in at under 3100lbs. I can see one coming in at 3500lb as yours does but as you say that is really working on it.

Yes the weights at FiberglassRV may be a bit high due to where the weights were done - people on 2-3 week vacations may be carrying more stuff than say a shorter camping trip - many of them may have bikes etc on the trailer. Having said that though that is as they say *real* world stuff that happens when we have the room to put things in. Having said that though I stuggle with how adding a couple of bikes and the extra clothing and food etc they may be carrying could account for a difference of 7-800 lbs. I cant make that math work - perhaps its just me.

As mentioned I have been eyeing up the 19 so if it really is possible to be able to come in loaded at 3100lbs without having to give up a whole lot of stuff that one might expect to take with them, then that would be great news for me. So far based on the weights I am seeing and hearing it leaves me with more questions than answers as to what I need to buy in the way of a Tow to safely tow a 19'.

Perhaps its just that there are not enough people that have weighed their 19's yet to know what the average really is?
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Old 05-19-2011, 02:02 PM   #22
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Hello,
We have been going back and forth between a 17B vs 19 ft Escape. We preferred the lighter 17B but the width of the bed is only 49". This is only 10 inches wider than a single/twin bed and 5 inches smaller than a full/double bed. Then we started looking at the 19 ft.
We have a Toyota Tacoma V6 TRD Sports Offroad with towing package (6500 lbs). We have seen some posts about people pulling it with that, but some of the posts sound as though it might be a bit of a strain...

Any thoughts on these two sizes and why you chose one over the other if you did?

Thanks!

kalyson
Originally when we started looking at new fiberglass RVs we were looking for a modernized version of the 13 ft Boler we used to have. We were looking small (originally something that even our 4 cylinder car could tow).

By the time we toured Escape, we:
1. knew what QUALITY looked like, and
2. had looked at a lot of used and a few new small trailers.

The 17b, to us, is a compromise between the original concept of the 13 footer, and the larger trailers that after a certain size, seem to defeat the purpose of environmental responsibility. With that said, I realize that many of you tow your 19s with the same type of small SUV as the 17. The 19s seemed to cry out "Big trailer wanna-be" rather than "cool egg!"

I worry that the 17 will be too cumbersome for the type of camping my wife and I like to do - remote forest service campsites that often require tight manuevering to get to. I second guess whether we should have stayed with the 15B.

We also don't mind the smallish bed - try it, it may do more for your relationship than separate beds

This post seemed to devolve from the original thread which seemed to invite debate about 17s vs 19s. Investing in an Escape trailer is a long term commitment (generally). When deciding whether size matters, imagine what RVing will look like in 10 or 20 years. If your imagination cannot picture it, look at what RVing has become in Europe with fuel prices at about $3 - 4 per litre.

My advice (since others offered theirs ) buy the 19 if you see your Escape as a 2 to 5 year investment: but the 17 if you are planning on keeping it for a long, long time.

Just my opinion,
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Old 05-19-2011, 04:30 PM   #23
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We also don't mind the smallish bed - try it, it may do more for your relationship than separate beds
Just my opinion,
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I know just what you mean Gord, crawling out over my wife wasn't all bad...but she sure is glad now, that in the middle of the night, we can just slip out the bottom. It's that separate bed stuff that's not good....in my opinion
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Old 05-19-2011, 05:37 PM   #24
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Re: Questions about 17 vs 19 ft Escape - Toyota Tacoma v6

I have to admit that the 17' bed is small, especially when both dogs join us. It's not so small that we don't get a good night's sleep, but we sure are glad of the big bed when we get home. Otherwise, we are completely satisfied with the size of the 17'. It has everything we need, and then some. Okay, the bigger fridge in the 19' would be nice, but we get by. You do get a fridge that will run off the batteries in the 17', but that is not as desireable as it might seem.

I cannot see that towing the 19' could be any easier than the 17'.

Neither trailer is a bad choice, but I prefer the 17'
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Old 05-19-2011, 06:18 PM   #25
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Okay, the bigger fridge in the 19' would be nice, but we get by. You do get a fridge that will run off the batteries in the 17', but that is not as desireable as it might seem.
Our 17b will come with the 5.0 cuft fridge - just ask Tammy/Reace when you confirm your option package.

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Old 05-19-2011, 10:12 PM   #26
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Hi: All... and the 5.0 is a stretched 17 with a dinette/double bed and a full rv. queen size bed/loft. Almost HEAVEN !!! Tug and Trailer pic's to follow when we get back Monday Eve. Alf
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Old 05-26-2011, 02:11 AM   #27
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Re: Questions about 17 vs 19 ft Escape - Toyota Tacoma v6

We just pulled our 19 footer to a location hear in the Yukon over what is loosley called a road.

Ethel Lake is thirty Kilometers off the Alaska Highway just short of Stwert Crossing.

On the trip in and on the trip out, we traversed a stretch of mud about twelve inches deep, and had to use 4whell drive in low to get through, it was raining hard enough when we got back onto the Alaska highway to wash the mud off the truck and the trailer.

Our tow truck is a Dodge Dakota, V8, heavy tow package, no problem.

All the Lakes in the Yukon are still covered with Ice.

PS. The highways people told me if I went in to Ethel Lake I would not be able to get out and they would not come in for me. The hills coming out are very long and very steep


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Old 05-26-2011, 05:44 PM   #28
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That sounds impressive Doug. Should have some great pictures coming I hope?
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Old 05-26-2011, 11:02 PM   #29
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Agreed, Now that's what I call camping, out there with Doug.
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Old 05-26-2011, 11:40 PM   #30
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I did take a couple of photos, and will post them as soon as I learn how.

Ethel Lake is back in the mountains, and the road follows the contours of the hills, an interesting trip. I drove at about 15 to 20 km an hr.

I am going back next month, I hope the roads are dried out a bit more and the ruts are less.
I also hope the ice is off the lake, so I can do some fishing.

I will take some more photos.

We are pleased with the way the trailer handled, it tracks very well with an equlizer hitch.

We were on battery for a few days and used propane for the fridge and warmth.

We left the heat off at night as we have a very good blanket.
Just used the furnace to take the chill off in the morning, before we got up.

The furnace switch is idealy located, just reach an arm up and flick it on.

In all all we used of the propane was six pounds.

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