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Old 05-26-2011, 11:44 PM   #31
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Re: Questions about 17 vs 19 ft Escape - Toyota Tacoma v6

Its good to hear of Escape escapades that are off pavement.

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Old 05-27-2011, 06:45 PM   #32
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Re: Questions about 17 vs 19 ft Escape - Toyota Tacoma v6

We have a 2003 Toyota Tacoma v-6 with 4 wheel drive and a 5 speed transmission. We are hoping to purchase a 17B Escape next year and have no concerns regarding towing with this vehicle. For us, the decision to buy a 17 or 19 is a decision of practicality as number one, we do not wish to purchase a new vehicle. My husband feels the single axle 17B will be easier to maneuver in the areas he will be travelling - he won't be staying in RV style parks as a rule. My preference for the 17B has to do with the ability to move it down the side of our house to park it as I don't want a trailer sitting out on my driveway, blocking my house. I only have about 9 feet to work with on the side of the house so maneuverability is key. We will concrete the area down the side of the house so we can just push it into place.

The permanent bed isn't a priority for us - I like the flexibility of the 2 separate dinette areas. My husband can lay out his fly tying setup at one table while I have the use of the other. Also he likes to nap and I never do so he can take a snooze while I read or whatever at the other end. We plan to add numerous options including the larger fridge and high lift axle.

I guess it's a good thing we have different sizes to choose from as we all have different needs. I have friends with 30'+ sized fifth wheels and they can't understand why anyone would stay in anything smaller! But they have to stay in RV Parks $$ and some aren't able or allowed to store their trailers on their property so they also have to pay storage fees. Now add in the fuel costs for towing these monster trailers and who's laughing now?

This forum is great for finding out what works for different situations. People seem genuinely happy with their Escapes and fiberglass trailers have a strong and unique comraderie. This is one case where bigger is NOT better!.
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Old 08-08-2011, 04:14 AM   #33
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Re: Questions about 17 vs 19 ft Escape - Toyota Tacoma v6

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We pulled our 19 with the same truck, no problems, 16 MPG Imperial (13.32 US).
We slow down going up long mountain passes not because of the truck but because
of the wallet as your MPG will drop quite quickly if you maintain 100 KPH while
climbing. On the flat roads the Tacoma pulls great at 100 KPH and has lots of go
left for passing. Hope this helps.

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No offense intended but 13.32 mpg is horrible. I could get better mileage pulling with my diesel Silverado K3500, 1 ton 4x4 dually. I get 16 mpg if I baby it without a tow--15 typically on the highway at 70-75. pulling a small trailer like that, I'd get better than 12 mpg for certain and not need to slow up at all--70-75 mph. If I babied it, I could beat or match that number. But I would not want to. I want to do far better than that.

I am leaning towards a 17' camper. I think the weight difference is significant. The extra axle is a big hit on mileage, and I read somewhere it is wider--so it has increased wind resistance.

Here are some of my ideas to get the weight down lower on the 17' Escape. Using the same size wheels as are on my car, so I can delete the spare on the camper--one spare for both car and camper, carried in the car. I'd also be a fanatic on weight reduction and wind resistance in the camper.

My car is a 4 cyl Volvo 240 rated up to 3300 lbs. I'm happy driving it slow. Volvo recommends not using 5th gear and keeping the speed under 50 when hauling a trailer. I've beefed up the rear springs to carry an extra 300 lbs, and I am installing a True Trac LSD, and a bigger fuel tank for better traction and longer range, respectively. I know a few people who have towed up to 3000 lbs without a problem with this car, and at speeds up to 70mph. My goal/estimate is 22-24 mpg (US) at 55 mph.

I'm also wondering if LRR tires on the 17' campers single axle would help.
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Old 08-08-2011, 09:39 AM   #34
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Re: Questions about 17 vs 19 ft Escape - Toyota Tacoma v6

Fuel economy has many more factors to it than what you get while towing.

Towing with a 6 cylinder engine in many cases will drop the fuel economy by 20-30%, and I would imagine that using a 4 cylinder might be even worse.

Yes, if I use my F250 with the Powerstroke diesel to pull my 19, overall I get as good or better economy than when using my Pilot, and the performance on hills is better. HOWEVER, unhitched the Pilot outperforms the Ford hands down, it is much easier to drive around and find places to park, and is just plain more enjoyable to drive.

Because I use my Pilot for daily use, I would imagine that maybe at the most 10% of the kilometers I travel with it are towing. This brings the overall economy factor way up, and very much justifies the lesser economy when using the Pilot.
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Old 08-08-2011, 12:24 PM   #35
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Re: Questions about 17 vs 19 ft Escape - Toyota Tacoma v6

Another option for the tighter sleeping quarters in a 17.

We just visited with amirie and her 17 and she had an extension made that pops into place between the fridge and the stove at night. One of the cushions from the smaller dinette fits it perfectly, allowing your feet to extend towards the tongue when sleeping. Since your feet require far less space then your upper body, it gives them the full width of the dinette bed to move around in.

The only disadvantage I can see is you can't raid the fridge in the middle of the night but the benefit of that is you'll soon take up less space!
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Old 08-08-2011, 11:17 PM   #36
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Re: Questions about 17 vs 19 ft Escape - Toyota Tacoma v6

LOL@ Lorrie at the raiding of the fridge!!!!!---the snacky--unrefridgerated items are still easily accessed in the cupboard above the fridge!!!!
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Old 08-10-2011, 01:18 PM   #37
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Re: Questions about 17 vs 19 ft Escape - Toyota Tacoma v6

We previously had 17ft. Escapes (two of them); we now have a 19ft. We have been happy to find out that we are getting the same mpg with our 19 as we did towing the 17s with our V8 4-Runner (15 mpg plus; we drive at 60mph or less). We had it weighed a few days ago at a truck weigh station, with the help of the official there, and it came in at 3,080 lbs. Adding the tongue weight of 372, that puts the total weight at just under 3,500 lbs. We think this is quite accurate. The above weight included the following items:
1. both 20lb. propane tanks, full (about 38 lbs. each)
2. tongue box with battery, set-up items
3. roof mount air conditioner
4. food in fridge
5. supplies (clothing, bedding, cooking and eating utensils), etc.
6. optional thermal windows and added insulation
7. all water and holding tanks were empty


When calculating tow weight, you also need to consider the extra weight added to the tow vehicle, not just in the trailer. Most vehicle owner's manuals address this. Here is a good site for calculating your tow weight: http://changingears.com/rv-sec-calc-...eight-tt.shtml

Whatever choice one makes in an Escape trailer, you can't go wrong! It becomes an issue of personal preferences when deciding, and of course, what you are capable of towing with your particular tow vehicle. We have found that the 19ft. model is about 500 more pounds than a 17ft. model, but we still are getting the same mpg. towing our 19ft.

Our priority when driving and towing is safety first. There are lots of resources available to help with making this decision. Edmunds has a great basic article about towing (http://www.edmunds.com/how-to/how-to-tow-a-trailer.html.

Happy trails,
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