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Old 05-19-2010, 12:48 AM   #51
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Re: refrigerator

Here is a link I found:

http://www.propanegas.ca/PGAC/Safety_RVs.asp

It contains the statement:

In most provinces, it’s law that all appliances and pilot lights must be turned off and cylinder valves closed while travelling.

As Glenn said, the Transportation of Dangerous Goods Regulation (Transport Canada) 5.1(3) says:

(3) A person must not handle, offer for transport or transport dangerous goods in a means of containment that is required or permitted by this Part unless the means of containment is designed, constructed, filled, closed, secured and maintained so that under normal conditions of transport, including handling, there will be no accidental release of the dangerous goods that could endanger public safety.
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http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/tdg/clear-part5-300.htm#sec51

I understand this to mean that propane should be turned off when travelling. Good enough for me.

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Old 05-19-2010, 02:41 PM   #52
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Re: refrigerator

I got this reply back from Alberta Transportation.
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Thank you for your provincial government web inquiry of May 18, 2010 regarding leaving a propane refrigerator on while vehicle is being driven.

Alberta Transportation does not have legislation prohibiting leaving a propane refrigerator on while a recreational vehicle is being driven. Municipal Affairs has information on propane safety and RV/Camping propane safety. You can view these brochures at this web link:
http://www.municipalaffairs.alberta....afety_tips.cfm

For further information regarding this matter, please contact me.

Sincerely,


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Ph: 780 427-7573
Fax: 780 422-2721
Howard.Greenway@gov.ab.ca


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Hi,


I was wondering what the regulation (law) is regarding propane on recreational vehicles, and if it was permissible or not to operate the refrigerator on propane while in transit.

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Old 05-19-2010, 04:00 PM   #53
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Re: refrigerator

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Transportation of Dangerous Goods Regulation (Transport Canada) 5.1(3) says:

(3) A person must not handle, offer for transport or transport dangerous goods in a means of containment that is required or permitted by this Part unless the means of containment is designed, constructed, filled, closed, secured and maintained so that under normal conditions of transport, including handling, there will be no accidental release of the dangerous goods that could endanger public safety.
SOR/2008-34
Under normal conditions of transport, it is safe to run with the valve open. It is abnormal conditions that can get ya. So I am not sure that this regulation applies. Further, I am not sure that TDG regulations apply to consumer goods in consumer quantities in or on private vehicles.

My TDG permit has expired, and I hope never to need another one. One screw-up cost me $200. Happily, that was just a placarding error.
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Old 05-19-2010, 04:38 PM   #54
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Further, I am not sure that TDG regulations apply to consumer goods in consumer quantities in or on private vehicles.
I was wondering about this too, because from what I understand, you can't transport what would be defined as dangerous goods unless have a permit. I really don't think propane on an RV is considered dangerous goods in normal use. Transporting of bulk fuels is considered dangerous goods, but when in a vehicles tank they are not.

Well, something like that.
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Old 05-19-2010, 05:37 PM   #55
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Re: refrigerator

If TDG regulations don't apply to recreational vehicles, then I'm puzzled why the regulation is referred to here:

http://www.drivesmartbc.ca/rvs/operating-rvs-propane

Is there a law in BC about leaving the propane appliances in my RV running while I am driving? I already know that I have to turn the propane off when I get on BC Ferries but I want to be sure that I can use it otherwise.

This reader has asked an important safety question to kick off another season of RV use and the answer to this question is a quick one: yes, there is a law that would prevent this. The Transportation of Dangerous Goods Regulations require that the appliance tank valves be closed when your RV is moving. Also, a quick consultation with a Gas Safety Officer at the BC Safety Authority confirmed what I have always believed, this is not a good idea. In fact, it could be very dangerous in some circumstances.


It's also puzzling why the Propane Gas Association says what it does:

http://www.propanegas.ca/PGAC/Safety_RVs.asp

In most provinces, it’s law that all appliances and pilot lights must be turned off and cylinder valves closed while travelling.

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It seems weird this term "Appliance Tank Valve", as it does not seem to be the valve on the propane tanks themselves. In a couple references, including Glenn's, it refers to the tank valve separately. Most of these references are also in columns, not official documentation.

I fired an email of to BC Transportation and am curious to see what they say. Glenn had contacted Transport Canada, hopefully they get back to him. I also just sent an email to Saskatchewan Department of Transport too.

So far all we have seen 'officially' is the response here in Alberta.

It would so be nice to get a clear official word from the various governments across Canada.
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Old 05-19-2010, 06:35 PM   #57
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Well, I just sent out a like email to all the provincial transportation offices. We'll see what we hear back.
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I haven't heard from Transport Canada.

These guys are going to wonder what hit them.

Interesting to see if we can get a straight answer.

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Old 05-19-2010, 08:07 PM   #59
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Re: refrigerator

An interesting link from the US:

http://rvbasics.com/techtips/rv-refr...traveling.html

There is an ongoing debate about whether or not to travel with the refrigerator operating on propane.

After hearing both sides of the debate, I can tell you that there is no real consensus and both sides are adamant in their beliefs. As far as I can tell there is no right or wrong answer, it's up to you to decide. Here are the arguments

Many RVers can see no danger in running the refrigerator on propane while on the road. They say they have traveled for years with no problems whatsoever. They point to the safety of propane powered vehicles and argue that we travel with tanks full of gasoline which is much more dangerous. Generally it is legal to travel while using propane, but keep in mind that it is illegal to have any open flames while near a service station fuel pump. And some tunnels and bridges may have restrictions too.

Other RVer's, claim that traveling with the propane on is a disaster waiting to happen. They argue that in an accident a broken propane line could increase the possibility of fire, even an explosion. For them the only safe way to travel is with the propane tank valves closed!.

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Many RVers can see no danger in running the refrigerator on propane while on the road. They say they have traveled for years with no problems whatsoever.


The problem with that argument is that I have driven a vehicle for 46 years and have not been killed in a head-on collision...or had a tree fall on my head or been suffocated by a crib...

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