solar - Page 2 - Escape Trailer Owners Community

Go Back   Escape Trailer Owners Community > Escape Tech > Problem Solving | Owners helping each other
Click Here to Login
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
 
Old 09-21-2013, 11:45 PM   #11
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Little Rock, Arkansas
Trailer: 2014 Escape 19' and 2016 GMC Yukon SLT SUV.
Posts: 242
Send a message via AIM to Tonny LR
gocamp,
Thanks for sharing your experience with solar panel. I read your posting on "unique problems"
Tonny
__________________

Tonny LR is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-22-2013, 08:40 PM   #12
Senior Member
 
bvansnell's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Vancouver, British Columbia
Trailer: 2010 Escape 13
Posts: 431
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vermilye View Post
Whether you need a transfer switch depends on how you set up the output of the inverter. In my case I added a separate receptacle for the inverter so no transfer switch. If you want to power some of the same receptacles with the inverter that are normally powered by shore power, a transfer switch is necessary.
I distributed power from the inverter to the top half of each of the power outlets by splitting them -- you just cut the link between the top and bottom part of the outlet, and connect power from the inverter to one side. The outside outlet is a GFCI type, so I installed an extra outlet under the passenger side bench with a split outlet. I can then connect the outside outlet to either shore power or inverter power. This method is similar to the one Jon is using and no transfer switch is needed. See Ladybug goes solar!
__________________

__________________
Brian

2003 Subaru Forester
2012 Toyota Highlander V6
2010 Escape 13 "Ladybug" Feb 2010
bvansnell is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-23-2013, 09:10 AM   #13
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Little Rock, Arkansas
Trailer: 2014 Escape 19' and 2016 GMC Yukon SLT SUV.
Posts: 242
Send a message via AIM to Tonny LR
Hi Brain,
Thanks for the info. I plan to have the electrical outlet split into 110V and 12V to avoid installing a transfer switch. Outside GFCI outlets, can they be divided into 2 power sources during building phrase or do I have to install 2 seperate 12V outlets next to the 110 V. Your feedbacks would be appreciated.
Tonny
Tonny LR is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-23-2013, 09:19 AM   #14
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Little Rock, Arkansas
Trailer: 2014 Escape 19' and 2016 GMC Yukon SLT SUV.
Posts: 242
Send a message via AIM to Tonny LR
I read in the forum that some members raise the solar panel three inches to enhance solar power receiption. I like to get input from you all the pros and cons of having it raise 3 inches. Thanks.
Tonny
Tonny LR is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-23-2013, 11:56 AM   #15
Senior Member
 
bvansnell's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Vancouver, British Columbia
Trailer: 2010 Escape 13
Posts: 431
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tonny LR View Post
Hi Brain,
Thanks for the info. I plan to have the electrical outlet split into 110V and 12V to avoid installing a transfer switch. Outside GFCI outlets, can they be divided into 2 power sources during building phrase or do I have to install 2 seperate 12V outlets next to the 110 V. Your feedbacks would be appreciated.
Tonny
Tonny
The output of the inverter is 110 volt power, the same as the power supplied from an outside source at a campsite (=shore power). A transfer switch allows you to select whether 110 volt outlets in the trailer are powered from the inverter or from shore power. As Jon described, the transfer switch should not be supplying power to the converter or to the air conditioner when you are running on inverter power. If you have separate outlets (or split outlets) for inverter power and shore power you don't need a transfer switch. This is the simplest solution.

You can't split the outside GFCI outlet. If you want two sources of 110 volt power there you will need either two separate GFCI outlets or be able to switch the outside outlet either to inverter power or shore power. I switch the outside outlet. Since this is a bit complicated the simplest solution is to not bother having inverter power on an outside outlet.

The 12 volt outlets are supplied from the 12 volt system (battery) and no transfer switch is needed for them, since the solar panel controller and converter are both connected to the battery.
__________________
Brian

2003 Subaru Forester
2012 Toyota Highlander V6
2010 Escape 13 "Ladybug" Feb 2010
bvansnell is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-23-2013, 12:53 PM   #16
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Little Rock, Arkansas
Trailer: 2014 Escape 19' and 2016 GMC Yukon SLT SUV.
Posts: 242
Send a message via AIM to Tonny LR
Hi Brian,
Thank you for explaining solar power so well.
Tonny
Tonny LR is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-23-2013, 05:11 PM   #17
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Escondido, California
Trailer: 2012 Escape 19'
Posts: 875
Quote:
Originally Posted by bvansnell View Post
Tonny
The output of the inverter is 110 volt power, the same as the power supplied from an outside source at a campsite (=shore power). A transfer switch allows you to select whether 110 volt outlets in the trailer are powered from the inverter or from shore power. As Jon described, the transfer switch should not be supplying power to the converter or to the air conditioner when you are running on inverter power. If you have separate outlets (or split outlets) for inverter power and shore power you don't need a transfer switch. This is the simplest solution.

You can't split the outside GFCI outlet. If you want two sources of 110 volt power there you will need either two separate GFCI outlets or be able to switch the outside outlet either to inverter power or shore power. I switch the outside outlet. Since this is a bit complicated the simplest solution is to not bother having inverter power on an outside outlet.

The 12 volt outlets are supplied from the 12 volt system (battery) and no transfer switch is needed for them, since the solar panel controller and converter are both connected to the battery.
Brian, when I installed my 2,500 watt inverter I wanted to power all of my outlets with either shore or inverter power and absolutely wanted the outside GFI outlet on both for blender, toaster, crock pot and griddle use outside. I also wanted to power my microwave from the inverter so the transfer switch was the way to go. In my opinion a manual transfer switch is generally a simpler and lower cost way to go because you don't have all the trailer wiring to all the outlets and it gives flexibility for later additions/changes. It also makes both outlet receptacles available always. BTW, my inverter switch cost $65 and I installed it completely on a Saturday afternoon.
__________________
480 Amps 12VDC Battery Capacity,
350 Watts Adjustable Solar Panels,
2500 Watt Inverter;
"Want Some Ice Cubes?, "Want a Frozen Margarita?", Want a Jump?"
hotfishtacos is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-23-2013, 05:24 PM   #18
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Surrey, BC, British Columbia
Trailer: 2014 Escape 19'
Posts: 106
hotfish and Brian
Do you have any breakers on the AC circuits between inverter and outlets? There must be a 12V breaker on the inverter input circuit, but is the AC wiring protected properly? I have seen AC breaker panels included in the wiring diagrams for automatic transfer switches.
__________________
Kirk & Shelley
2014 19'
Surrey, Beautiful BC, Canada
KirkB is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-23-2013, 05:29 PM   #19
Senior Member
 
bvansnell's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Vancouver, British Columbia
Trailer: 2010 Escape 13
Posts: 431
Quote:
Originally Posted by hotfishtacos View Post
In my opinion a manual transfer switch is generally a simpler and lower cost way to go because you don't have all the trailer wiring to all the outlets and it gives flexibility for later additions/changes. It also makes both outlet receptacles available always. BTW, my inverter switch cost $65 and I installed it completely on a Saturday afternoon.
Steve
Since we have a small 300 watt inverter I was able to wire the top half of each outlet with cab tire. I ran it along the top inside corner of the driver side overhead cabinets using cable ties. I admit that an inverter is a more elegant solution since you don't need to unplug anything when you switch from shore power to inverter power. On the other hand, having separate outlets for inverter power is more foolproof -- no chance of trying to run the converter on inverter power (a losing proposition).
__________________
Brian

2003 Subaru Forester
2012 Toyota Highlander V6
2010 Escape 13 "Ladybug" Feb 2010
bvansnell is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-23-2013, 05:30 PM   #20
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Escondido, California
Trailer: 2012 Escape 19'
Posts: 875
Quote:
Originally Posted by KirkB View Post
hotfish and Brian
Do you have any breakers on the AC circuits between inverter and outlets? There must be a 12V breaker on the inverter input circuit, but is the AC wiring protected properly? I have seen AC breaker panels included in the wiring diagrams for automatic transfer switches.
Yes! On my setup the transfer switch changes the supply source to the breaker panel (either shore or inverter) so all circuits are intact with breakers for each one. All active circuits are still protected and you can turn off any circuit individually at the breaker panel.
__________________

__________________
480 Amps 12VDC Battery Capacity,
350 Watts Adjustable Solar Panels,
2500 Watt Inverter;
"Want Some Ice Cubes?, "Want a Frozen Margarita?", Want a Jump?"
hotfishtacos is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off






» Virginia Campgrounds

Reviews provided by



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:34 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Copyright 2012 Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.