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Old 08-21-2010, 02:20 PM   #11
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Re: Travelling with dogs -- how do you manage?

Aww, sweet-looking dogs!

We don't have a dog of our own anymore, so we rent them! LOL We do often camp with my son's dogs. And we do have a 19' which is much more spacious than a 15'. But if we're not all sleeping inside or out taking a hike or walk on the beach, the dogs are normally on these lightweight chains outside the trailer. They really don't mind at all, there are a lot of critters to watch and we're outside with them much of the time.
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Old 08-21-2010, 02:40 PM   #12
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Re: Travelling with dogs -- how do you manage?

When outside, our guys are usually tied somewhere where they can get near us. They normally perform their world-famous "dog-weaving" stunt several times a day, for our viewing pleasure. The intricacy of the woven product the dogs produce is often enhanced by the twigs and stick they incorporate to add an additional textural element to their design.

I've gone through several different kinds of nylon rope and have finally found one which doesn't knot as badly...operent phrase, "as badly." None of which stops them from finding inventive ways of using their ropes to tip over the water dishes.

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Old 08-21-2010, 05:55 PM   #13
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Re: Travelling with dogs -- how do you manage?

After our last excursion to SW Alberta in early August, we're leaving the dog at home if we expect to do anything besides hang around camp. It was too hot to leave the dog in the trailer, even if we were comfortable with that, and too hot to have the dog in the car. So, Les visited the museum and I sat in the car with the dog. I got groceries and Les sat in the car with the dog. No romantic dinners out or afternoons lounging in some waterfront bar.

Dog can come if we go to a lake and stay there. It's not going to get to go to Portland, Bend etc. in Sept.

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Old 08-21-2010, 06:25 PM   #14
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Re: Travelling with dogs -- how do you manage?

We've found a lot of local vets and kennels will day-board or even board by the hour, so we usually dump them into doggie daycare when we are out 'splorin'

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Re: Travelling with dogs -- how do you manage?

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After our last excursion to SW Alberta in early August, we're leaving the dog at home if we expect to do anything besides hang around camp. It was too hot to leave the dog in the trailer, even if we were comfortable with that, and too hot to have the dog in the car. So, Les visited the museum and I sat in the car with the dog. I got groceries and Les sat in the car with the dog. No romantic dinners out or afternoons lounging in some waterfront bar.

Dog can come if we go to a lake and stay there. It's not going to get to go to Portland, Bend etc. in Sept.

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Have a heart! Dogs need vacations too!

Our dog came with us to Bend in July when the temperature was 33 degrees C. during the day (91 degrees F.). We had all the windows open in the trailer and the Maxx fan running full throttle, and it was manageable. Sometimes our dog was outside in the shade when shade could be found.

We have an Escape 13 and our cocker spaniel is happy sleeping under the double bed at night, and he dozes on the floor under the table when we are eating meals. When we were at the quilt show in Sisters we found a wonderful shade tree which kept the car reasonably cool during the day with the windows partly open, and we took short walks with him.

Without a dog, what would be your excuse for walking on the beach? Just as a camera helps to discover the beauty of nature, a dog helps you to meet interesting people and to explore the country.

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Old 08-21-2010, 10:04 PM   #16
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Re: Travelling with dogs -- how do you manage?

I have to admit, I'm getting a kick out of seeing everyone's pups. I suppose it's okay to shamelessly plug our own Dovekie; we actually did a story on him for NPR -- you can link to it via our under-construction webpage (http://www.longhaulpro.org). So he's used to a fair amount of attention, a pup worthy of an Escape (pun intended) ... at least we think so.

Anyway ... still curious if anyone's modified that small front dinette in the 15A to allow a flip-out and slightly larger table ... which would make it a little easier to manage without having to constantly setup and take down the back dinette/bed?

I'm also very curious (and maybe I should post this separately so it doesn't get lost in this thread) -- how difficult is it to access the storage if we were to, say, make that back bed permanent? Is it possible to do a giant drawer in the area under where the dinette table would normally be? Or, if we were to make that a permanent human/dog bed, would we find ourselves constantly lifting a heavy mattress to get into the hatches, etc? Or reaching deep into cabinets beneath?

I don't know if any of you remember this mod, but we're thinking something along these lines ...

http://escapeforum.org/index.php?topic=1105

Has anyone experimented with a u-shaped couch in a 15 or 17? Or a small dinette along the side wall (with the kitchen along the front)?

Curious. Again, I may just post these questions in another topic in the event they get lost in our Pup Photo Shoot here ...

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Old 08-21-2010, 10:48 PM   #17
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Re: Travelling with dogs -- how do you manage?

Elizabeth - Reace is usually willing to work with people with modification ideas, when they are possible and safe.
It would be worthwhile to run some of your ideas past him to see if he could do them for you, rather than have to rework what has already been done.
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Old 08-22-2010, 07:58 AM   #18
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Elizabeth,
Here's an apt link from the Casita Club forums:
http://www.casitaclub.com/forums/ind...28&hl=underbed

As to access to the storage under the bed, several folks have had Reace put supplemental doors on the ends of those areas, to avoid just that "take the bed apart to get a roll of twine, remake the bed afterward" you mention. In addition, exterior hatches can be added for access as well.

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p.s.: while Dovekie is an obvious charmer, I must admit I'm impressed with Fern's picture. Did you play with it in Photoshop?

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Re: Travelling with dogs -- how do you manage?

Dave, Fern is au natural. No cosmetic (or Photoshop) enhancement necessary.

Thanks for the Casita underbed link ... I'll check that out in a bit.

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Old 08-23-2010, 01:07 AM   #20
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I hate to be a wet blanket, but, all this very good discussion and your clear misgivings about if the 15 is going to work are very well founded. I think you are trying to get a square peg in a round hole. It is not going to fit, at least not without shaving the edges off.

Right now we have a 13' Casita and we travel, sometimes, with our Golden Retriever. We always leave the bed made up to avoid the hassle of making and remaking if we were to switch to the dinette configuration. We are ONLY in the trailer at night. We spend all of our time when camping outdoors. When the three of us are inside, the dog is indeed constantly underfoot (and she is only 62 pounds). For us, that's ok, because it doesn't happen very often and it doesn't last long. We only go camping a half a dozen times a year, and the typical trip is three nights.

It sounds to me that your situation is quite different. You are going to be using the trailer often, for long periods of time, and be inside much of that time, with the dogs. I think you are going to find it much too small very quickly. If you were just making the occasional weekend trip with the dogs, sure, you could make it work, but, long periods of time will get old pretty fast. In the towing topic you kept trying to see if the 17 would be possible. Right direction. Then dismiss it because the Subaru can't handle it. Sorry, but, I think wrong answer. In my estimation, what you need for the type of use you have outlined is either the 19, or, the 5.0 (or a Bigfoot, or Burro). You will need floor space for the dogs, and working space for your vocation. Look back at Texscapees post on the 19th. He put it perfectly. Find the trailer that fits your needs, and get a tow vehicle that fits the trailer. I believe the Subaru is just not going to work. I would suggest, accept it, and move on. I believe you will be much more satisfied in the long run.

I think I can very easily appreciate your situation. We have the trailer we do because it was all our tow vehicle can handle, just barely. We have to be constantly watching our weight, draining the fresh tank and water heater before we drive to shed weight. Leaving things at home because we needed something else to take. For example, and trying to stay a little more on topic, when the dog travels with us, we bring her x-pen for her to hang out in outside at the campsite. That means we cannot bring our solar panels because we cannot afford the weight of both. In addition, we can only bring the dog on weekend trips when we don't bring much (clothing and food) for us, so that we can use the weight allowance for her. By the way, the maximum trailer weight allowance of the tow vehicle may not be your limiting factor. For us, the limiting weight allowance is the combined weight rating (CVWR), the weight of the tow, everything in it, and the weight of the trailer combined. I suspect that by the time you pack the Subaru with all your stuff, the dogs stuff, and the dogs, you may not be able to tow much of a trailer at all. You may find that even the 15 will have you overweight. There are very few vehicles, except pickup trucks and real (truck based) SUVs, that will allow you to pack to the roof, and still tow a maximum weight trailer. Check the owner's manual very carefully for all of the various weight ratings.

So how do we manage with our dog? We stay outside except to sleep. The trailer is really little and the dog isn't. We love having the dog along so we just roll with it and get by. We bring an x-pen and ground mat for her. In case you don't know the mat is the exact same mat as the awing mats that are sold for RVs except quite a bit less money because it is "dog" stuff, not "RV" stuff. It provides a floor for the x-pen and keeps her out the dirt and weeds while lounging in her pen. We have a shade cloth we can rig up for her, or, sometimes we set up the pen at the trailer under the awning. She likes that a lot.

Our plan is to move up to a larger trailer in the next couple of years. We will do this when the trip lengths become longer and we need the room for the dog. Yes, there will be an appropriate tow vehicle to go with it. I think of it as just part of the price of admission.

Hope this helps,

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