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Old 11-10-2013, 12:00 AM   #1
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TV Tailgate Removal & Wardrobe Drawers

Question to all 5.0 owners... How many remove the tailgate from their TV when towing Comments would be appreciated.
Second question to all... I believe I saw a picture in one of the posts of pull out drawers (not shelves) in the wardrobe closet. It showed the closet door opened and the drawers inside. Poster’s comment was that Escape had built these for them as an additional option. I have not been able to find it since... even after a massive search. Can anyone help or am I suffering from “mega posting review” fatigue

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Old 11-10-2013, 12:20 AM   #2
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Question to all 5.0 owners... How many remove the tailgate from their TV when towing Comments would be appreciated.
Second question to all... I believe I saw a picture in one of the posts of pull out drawers (not shelves) in the wardrobe closet. It showed the closet door opened and the drawers inside. Poster’s comment was that Escape had built these for them as an additional option. I have not been able to find it since... even after a massive search. Can anyone help or am I suffering from “mega posting review” fatigue

Thanks,
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Hi: Stargeezer... I have not removed our tailgate while towing. Further I leave the three/fold tonneau cover on the truck too. They can both be closed up when touring around after we're set up for camping.
I know that Hokie Escape built a set of drawers in his 5.0 pantry cupboard... but I can't recall anyone having the wardrobe closet with drawers inside of the door. Sorry!!! Alf
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Old 11-10-2013, 01:07 AM   #3
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Thanks e-a... I take it you don't experience any "drag" with the tailgate in place. Has this ever been an issue for any other owners in the past? A point of discussion?

WRT the drawers, yes I did see Hokie Escape's drawer mod... Great job, but the others had a curved face to them (I believe). My wife thinks I have been spending too much time reviewing all the posts, although I think there is a ton of useful info on this forum.
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Old 11-10-2013, 01:33 AM   #4
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Thanks e-a... I take it you don't experience any "drag" with the tailgate in place. Has this ever been an issue for any other owners in the past? A point of discussion?

WRT the drawers, yes I did see Hokie Escape's drawer mod... Great job, but the others had a curved face to them (I believe). My wife thinks I have been spending too much time reviewing all the posts, although I think there is a ton of useful info on this forum.
Hi: Stargeezer... When I'm getting the mpg in the 19.25 range I don't concern myself. I'm sure I could squeak out some more mpg's by leaving the gate at home, but then the truck is of less use touring.
The fellow with the curved front drawers, I believe, did his own cabinets. After all that was his trade!!!
My problem is that so much has happened since '08 when we bought our 5.0 it's hard for me to keep up to the developments. Check out Modifications and alterations pg.13 thread "New inside Mods,Escape17. Guys name Chris R. Alf
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Old 11-10-2013, 04:32 AM   #5
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Smile Tailgate drag is a myth

Mythbusters evaluated that idea:

Driving With Tailgate Up Is Fuel Efficient : Discovery Channel

and decided that the myth is busted.
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Old 11-10-2013, 09:25 AM   #7
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Larry,
I wanted a tailgate on my truck to secure my carry-along stuff. I like the Stromberg RV tailgate I installed on my pickup. Never needing to drop it down to hitch up and worrying about it hitting the trailer while backing. Made of lightweight ABS, paintable, and lockable. As for the installed drawers, I had Reace install ours in the pantry and leaving the closet for hanging clothes and long stuff. Worth the extra $.
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Even if a tailgate were a bigger aerodynamic problem on a pickup without a trailer, one with a fifth-wheel trailer is quite a different situation - I doubt it makes much difference. I doubt you want to encourage airflow between the truck and trailer at all.

I think the bigger reason for removing the tailgate with a fifth-wheel is the hitching/unhitching hassle that Dave and Sandy mentioned, and tailgates with a cutout section such as their Stromberg Carlson are a common solution. These are traditionally louvered, presumably for aerodynamics, but I wouldn't be surprised if there is no aero benefit. Most that I have seen are metal (could be steel or aluminum), but that Stromberg Carlson is composite... strangely emulating the straight-slat design of the metal ones, I supposed for familiarity in the market.

I haven't towed a fifth-wheel, but I imagine that access to stuff in the back of the box is a pain with the trailer attached: the tailgate would be in the way of moving the stuff if up, and if down it would be in the way of the person trying to reach in. The real solution would be a body designed for towing, rather than a pickup box, but I realize that almost nobody does that on regular pickups, and especially not on the smaller pickups used by Escape owners.
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Mythbusters evaluated that idea:

Driving With Tailgate Up Is Fuel Efficient : Discovery Channel

and decided that the myth is busted.
Thanks for the link. I'm glad you phrased that as "decided", rather than "determined" or "proved". Mythbusters is entertainment with a science-inspired approach, but few if any of their investigations are sufficiently thorough or rigorous to be of much value. This one is no exception.

Mythbusters is science the way CSI is a documentary about forensics.

The myth, of course is "Driving With Tailgate Down Is More Fuel Efficient", not the opposite which is used as a title.
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Old 11-10-2013, 05:03 PM   #10
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I haven't towed a fifth-wheel, but I imagine that access to stuff in the back of the box is a pain with the trailer attached: the tailgate would be in the way of moving the stuff if up, and if down it would be in the way of the person trying to reach in.
I have to disagree with you on this one Brian. This is my first fifth wheel RV and I like the dynamics so much that I will never own another bumper pull. Use the well designed, self contained 5.0 as is and leave a lot of the extra crap at home. I turn at a 45 degree angle and lower the tailgate for easy access.
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