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Old 06-13-2015, 10:42 PM   #21
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Lead was added to gasoline to lubricate the valve train. Valve guides and seats.
Right. Lubed valve guides and seats means no knocking (or reduced). It actually helped the engines of that time. Ethanol? Not so much.
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Old 06-13-2015, 10:58 PM   #22
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This is a lot like the use of lead in gasoline. When it was first eliminated there was a genuine concern for older engines. Now, decades later, those racers and aircraft engine manufacturers that say they still need lead have no excuse and should just upgrade or retire their old crap.
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Old 06-13-2015, 11:02 PM   #23
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Nice Fastback. Yours Donna?
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Old 06-13-2015, 11:08 PM   #24
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Ah no Robert. I have one.. actually two. The one in the garage is a 1967 Fastback like the picture... only in pieces! Like the interior needs to be put back in. Can't afford to drive it. That 390 really sucks the fuel! AND, it needs lead... you know that old crap that needs it...
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Old 06-14-2015, 12:08 AM   #25
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That 390 really sucks the fuel! AND, it needs lead... you know that old crap that needs it...
....a 67 GT, even in pieces, could never be called 'crap'.
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Although I actually didn't mention non-racing cars in my comment, it applies almost as well to them, too. The engines of classic Mustangs and other vehicles can be rebuilt with modern materials in valves and valve seats (and guides?) so that they no longer need lead in fuel - that the "upgrade" I mentioned. Premium pump gas has enough octane for old stock engines. If an owner doesn't think that the upgrade is worthwhile, then perhaps the vehicle is good only for static display.

Racing cars certainly don't need lead, although in some styles of racing it is still used - particularly those using outdated engine designs. Formula One hasn't used lead for two decades and even NASCAR doesn't use it any more; if they don't need it, clearly no one does. Those still running it should be proud to be at the same level of advancement as Algeria and Iraq.

Certified aircraft engines are a little different. If the engine needs 100LL fuel, the owner isn't free to modify it; in that case, the engine manufacturers who have ignored reality and done no development for decades are to blame. There is still no excuse for spewing lead into the atmosphere to run an engine... in my opinion, of course!
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Oh just admit it, you stuck your foot it in Brian . No way the 390 in my Fastback will ever be "upgraded to modern materials," at least not while there's lead additives available. Even suggesting such a thing to a gearhead is blasphemy. If I said such a thing to my hodrod buds, they'd run me out of town on a rail...
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I use an apt on my phone, Free Gas, to locate stations that offer non ethanol gas, which is all that I use in my boat.
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This brings up an interesting point. Does premium gas give better MPG when towing?
On our truck, Ford recommends Premium for towing, says regular is OK when not. I don't think premium gas does you any good on a vehicle that is recommended for regular, could even do worse.

One exception could be on a vehicle with high miles on it, that has carbon build up in the combustion chamber. This effectively raises the compression ratio which could cause detonation (knocking) on regular gas.

Modern engines have knock sensors that will change the timing to prevent knocking, so you won't hear it, but there potentially is a loss of mileage and power under that condition.

If you suspect that, you can try a tank of premium and track the mileage.
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On our truck, Ford recommends Premium for towing, says regular is OK when not. I don't think premium gas does you any good on a vehicle that is recommended for regular, could even do worse.

One exception could be on a vehicle with high miles on it, that has carbon build up in the combustion chamber. This effectively raises the compression ratio which could cause detonation (knocking) on regular gas.

Modern engines have knock sensors that will change the timing to prevent knocking, so you won't hear it, but there potentially is a loss of mileage and power under that condition.

If you suspect that, you can try a tank of premium and track the mileage.
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