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Old 04-06-2016, 03:17 PM   #21
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I think Escape wiring has evolved over the years. My personal experience with my 2010 Escape 19 showed some of those same issues as posted above. In particular the battery connections and the area around the underseat electrical box. I do not think they were bad but poorly labelled, perhaps under gauge sizes and the use of the 3M "suitcase connectors" common.

Switch to my 2014 Escape 21 and it was one of the first things I noticed. The battery box was using much heavier gauge wires, solid heavy gauge crimp on connectors (the kind you get with a hydraulic crimper), professional labels, lack of 3M connectors and a much better routing and fastening of wires.

It was apparent to me immediately that there was a vast improvement between 2010 and 2014.
thanks for the insight and observation...looking forward to my factory visit about 6 months before production.
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Old 04-06-2016, 03:57 PM   #22
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you hit several nails on the head Pat!.... nominate you for senior wiring tech at Escape if you want the job!
Thanks for the job offer , but I think other members like Klem and Ron know a lot more then I do and they would catch all these little mistakes . Since I know very little about electrical I would miss a lot .There just needs someone overseeing the workers more .The trailer is still a great little trailer compared to others we have looked at . Every time Escape grows having a watchdog , inspector , gets more and more important . The owner can't be watching everything that goes on with his trailers . Company needs a dedicated inspector or inspectors to protect his reputation . Just my thoughts . We still do love our trailer . Pat
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Old 04-06-2016, 04:04 PM   #23
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When I was going through electrical trade school , our instructor
when inspecting our work often would say " The best thing I can say about the job you did is that it works." I went to 2 years of full time trade school ,then served a 4 year apprenticeship which consisted of 8300 hours on the job plus 1400 hours of night school , before I got my journeyman's card . It is obvious by looking at the pictures that you have untrained people installing the wiring and there is no inspection by a competent person . Even though I held a journeyman's and masters electrical license , I still had to have my work inspected . If I installed wiring in the manner shown in the photos , I would have lost my electrical license .
The pictures show that someone takes absolutely no pride in their work
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Old 04-06-2016, 04:08 PM   #24
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Agree totally Pat. I love the Escape trailer, but I want to see them continue to be at the top. A Quality Control person is definitely the piece that is missing.
However, they are not alone. Scamp has had tremendous QC issues this last two years with released trailers, i.e. Black tank pipes falling off, doors blowing open, etc. But they are $12-25k trailer and while that doesn't excuse them, as the price climbs the expectations and tolerance go with it.
I don't know about Casita whether they have a QC in place or not, but all the molded manufacturers need them desperately. There are too many issues on new trailers being released to consumers unnecessarily. Reputation will die fast if it goes unchecked too long.
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Old 04-06-2016, 05:27 PM   #25
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My fun find was discovering the power for my rear view camera transmitter was spliced into the wrong red wire. The camera only worked when the button was pushed to check my holding tank levels.

Discovered that by crawling around the space under the bed of my 21 since I couldn't find a midget electrician.

They didn't check to see if rear view cameras actually worked back in 2014; now that it's a factory option they might........
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Old 04-06-2016, 05:38 PM   #26
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Charlie,
Probably not funny at the time, but that's pretty funny now. So when you were backing up did the DW have to run into the trailer and depress the holding tank button?
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Old 04-06-2016, 05:46 PM   #27
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No, it was discovered by backtracking the wiring - she did pull on wires for me to figure out what went where. I relocated the transmitter to under the front shelf on the 21 since I had to redo the harnessing.
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Old 04-06-2016, 10:11 PM   #28
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After looking at Thoer's pictures, i'm going to be happy with my new 19. The other ones look like my casita. Casita suffers from excess loops of romex and lots of blue 3m crimps. Wiring diagrams are easy if you're building casitas that are all the same. Love the ability to make changes to my trailer like swapping the bed and dining room locations. Can't imagine it's easy for their staff. Besides, I love doing modifications.
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Old 04-06-2016, 11:01 PM   #29
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We had electrical issues with our Nash trailer. One of the four wheel brakes was never connected due to a hidden break in a wire. I discovered this several years later. The dealer claimed there was no way it would have passed their inspection if there was a defective brake, but then their shop scavenged a propane valve from our first trailer, causing it to explode before we took delivery (they found us another trailer). We had several other minor issues as well. Clearly Northwood (Nash, Arctic Fox, etc.) had quality control issues. I never found an electrical wiring schematic.

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When I was going through electrical trade school , our instructor
when inspecting our work often would say " The best thing I can say about the job you did is that it works." I went to 2 years of full time trade school ,then served a 4 year apprenticeship which consisted of 8300 hours on the job plus 1400 hours of night school , before I got my journeyman's card . It is obvious by looking at the pictures that you have untrained people installing the wiring and there is no inspection by a competent person . Even though I held a journeyman's and masters electrical license , I still had to have my work inspected . If I installed wiring in the manner shown in the photos , I would have lost my electrical license .
The pictures show that someone takes absolutely no pride in their work
Well said, Steve. My sense is that these shortcomings are the result of poor labor practices, not design standards. If ETI follows this Forum (and I suspect they do), I'm sure this thread has caused considerable heartburn for Reace and that he's already rattled a few cages on the production floor.
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