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Old 04-07-2016, 10:26 PM   #61
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Thanks Reace. I hope all the building and updates are going smoothly for you.
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Old 04-07-2016, 10:38 PM   #62
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Old 04-08-2016, 12:45 AM   #63
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The wiring in our 2015 looks similarly neat as the photos Reace posted. I think the "mess" posted earlier is a bit of an anomaly. They did a great job on ours.
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Old 04-08-2016, 12:45 AM   #64
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... trying to match each components wiring color is difficult. For example, we run a 4 wire ribbon for the running lights (white, brown, yellow and green). The yellow wire connects to the red wire on the taillight on the driver side and the green wire connects to the red wire on the taillight on the passenger side (don't quote me on colors)...I just know the left signal light wire is a different color than the right signal light color...but both taillights have the same color to attach to.
Thanks Reace - I think that's an excellent example. This typically doesn't happen in a car, because the wiring harness for each side - including the bulb sockets or now the connectors for the LED units - is specific to the side and unique to the vehicle. You can do that when you're making a model in quantities of tens of thousands. In RVs - both travel trailers and Class A & C motorhomes - the tail lamp units are usually off-the-shelf (not unique for the RV) and interchangeable side-to-side so they have the same wire colours on each side and a colour transition is inevitable.

Some people have pointed out that there is a manufactuer-supplied diagram for Scamp trailers, and I have borrowed a copy from the FiberglassRV Document Center and posted it here. It cannot possibly be correct for all three sizes and multiple layouts, because it is only one diagram and doesn't show a whole trailer full of components... but on the right side, there are the colour transitions like Reace has described (and undoubtedly for the same reason).


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A big "BRAVO" to Reace for the explanation and customer feedback. Well done.
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Old 04-08-2016, 07:20 AM   #66
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Some people have pointed out that there is a manufactuer-supplied diagram for Scamp trailers, and I have borrowed a copy from the FiberglassRV Document Center and posted it here.
Nice thought Brian, however Scamp didn't supply the schematic. One of the members of FiberglassRV created this. How do I know? Because I created the PDF and uploaded it to the Document Center more than ten years ago. It's become a popular document, I've seen it scooped and posted on Facebook on several pages, but don't see it on Scamp's web page. If you notice the date I created the PDF, it was the day after the big Scamp fire.
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Maybe a member here would like to create a ETI build schematic like that FiberglassRV member did all those years ago. There's plenty of room in the Document Center to archive the information.
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Nice thought Brian, however Scamp didn't supply the schematic. One of the members of FiberglassRV created this. How do I know? Because I created the PDF and uploaded it to the Document Center more than ten years ago. It's become a popular document, I've seen it scooped and posted on Facebook on several pages, but don't see it on Scamp's web page.
I didn't know who created this, so I perhaps incorrectly assumed that it was Eveland's. I saw it (as a JPEG) well before it was placed in a PDF document and uploaded it to FiberglassRV. True, it's not on the Scamp Trailers web site (I did look), but I don't think that means much. I would prefer to credit the author, but I don't know who that is. If it was built by a customer, that just reinforces that it is difficult to find diagrams from RV manufacturers, and that any particular diagram is not very trustworthy if it was not built for your specific trailer.

Looking at the right edge of the version posted at Dan and Dawn's Scamp site, the page footer is visible: sure enough, this was the last page (page 15) of the owner's manual published by Eveland's. That one that I linked is from 1996, a decade before the extracted diagram was posted to FiberglassRV; I also have a later version downloaded from the Scamp Trailers site and saved in 2008. Regardless of who drew it, the manufacturer published it and no doubt that's where it came from, to eventually land in FiberglassRV. The current Scamp Trailers page for manuals lists and describes the Scamp owner's manual, but doesn't actually link to it - they've apparently decided to not post it in favour of an idiotic video-only approach, or just forgot it . Fortunately, Escape has a real manual; I wouldn't expect any owner's manual to include a full wiring diagram, and Escape's currently doesn't.

In any case a customer-created diagram is a potential approach. Without a substantial amount of work (repeating what Reace and his people have already done, and adding errors in the process) it won't be any more useful than the very limited Scamp diagram. I think that a comprehensive diagram set would be interesting to build, but probably not worth the effort. At the same time, Escape's own diagrams may not be suitable for customer use (as they are built for employees who are trained to use them), and would require effort to publish properly.
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That one that I linked is from 1996, a decade before the extracted diagram was posted to FiberglassRV; I also have a later version downloaded from the Scamp Trailers site and saved in 2008.
You missed your calling, you'd have made a good detective.

You're right, I do remember that the Scamp schematic was contained in the Scamp manual.

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We have the actual Scamp-Eveland wiring diagram from the 1996 Scamp Manual on Scamp Owners International Scamp Manuals | Scamp Owners International
It's the last page of the manual. I don't think they've updated it a whole lot since then and that manual covered all versions including the 19. They just changed the picture on the cover.
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We have the actual Scamp-Eveland wiring diagram from the 1996 Scamp Manual on Scamp Owners International Scamp Manuals | Scamp Owners International
It's the last page of the manual.
Yes, that's the one...
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... this was the last page (page 15) of the owner's manual published by Eveland's. That one that I linked is from 1996, a decade before the extracted diagram was posted to FiberglassRV
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I don't think they've updated it a whole lot since then and that manual covered all versions including the 19. They just changed the picture on the cover.
I agree. The diagram is so basic that it wouldn't change with model or with time. I don't think they even changed the picture in the 2008 version, but the font of the title text is different.

This is a difference between Scamp and Escape: Scamp has been around for decades, started with a direct copy of the Boler, and doesn't like change, so they settled into their way of doing things a long time ago. Escape is much newer and continually developing product so perhaps in some cases it is difficult to catch up with some documents.
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