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Old 12-27-2008, 08:42 PM   #21
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Re: Wish List?


I guess I have to vote no.
Hey, wait, I can't vote yet.

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Old 12-31-2008, 12:02 AM   #22
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Hi Folks - just checking the site to see what's up. I agree with the "outsiders". I think the outside instal will provide the easy access required to keep things clean and inside storage will be at a premium - at least I remember it as such in the old beast of a tent trailer we used for years.
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Old 12-31-2008, 09:06 PM   #23
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Hi Folks
Thought I'd weigh in on the comments about larger onboard tanks. It seems to me that we should look back at the basic parameters that these trailers were/are developed around. Unless I've misunderstood something I believe they are primerily a light weight unit to enhance towing, manoverability and fuel efficiency. Having said this then I'd have to go with the smaller tanks - fluid of any description is heavey.
I come from a "tent trailer" history with no services on board. In the Escape I would think one would tend to use the services of the camp at hand and pit stops on the way. The onboard services would be used primarily at unserviced sites and even at that a well placed bush would do for some of us. So the prospect of full tanks is perhaps not so great.
Is this not also a trip management issue?
My bias is that I am really concerned about the weight and want to keep it down.
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Old 01-01-2009, 11:27 AM   #24
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Hi Folks
Thought I'd weigh in on the comments about larger onboard tanks. It seems to me that we should look back at the basic parameters that these trailers were/are developed around. Unless I've misunderstood something I believe they are primerily a light weight unit to enhance towing, manoverability and fuel efficiency. Having said this then I'd have to go with the smaller tanks - fluid of any description is heavey.
I come from a "tent trailer" history with no services on board. In the Escape I would think one would tend to use the services of the camp at hand and pit stops on the way. The onboard services would be used primarily at unserviced sites and even at that a well placed bush would do for some of us. So the prospect of full tanks is perhaps not so great.
Is this not also a trip management issue?
My bias is that I am really concerned about the weight and want to keep it down.
Happy New Year to all.
Keath
You are missing the point, your reasoning is like saying "I don't want a larger fuel tank in my vehicle because it weighs more when full".
I have stayed in areas where no services are offered and using the outdoor facilities like a dog are not permitted, so larger tanks are required in those situations so a longer environmentally friendly stay can be achieved with comfort, whether it is a 17' or a 40' if it sleeps 4 humans you need moderate capacity for waste management, in unserviced locations.
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Old 01-01-2009, 08:14 PM   #25
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We're with you Rob. We love to camp BECAUSE we can get away from the "serviced areas". Our biggest restictor is our fresh and grey water tanks (because we also like to crawl into bed clean). Our favorites are the National Forests (check out free info from www.forestcamping.com). Camping in long rows of other trailers, just so we can have elect/water/sewer just doen't get it in our house : - )
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Old 01-02-2009, 01:45 AM   #26
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Hot topic....!

Without a response, I can see it quickly turning into a holding tank lynch mob!

Unlike some companies, we like to use our product and I will agree that our family of four will struggle with the holding tank sizes when camping off the grid. I have learned to pack a 5 gallon colapsable water tank so I can refill the water tank. I also have a bucket to drain off the grey water tank. The black tank has not yet been a problem as we all use it....but realize it is not easily drained, so we are resourceful. This will not be a good enough answer for all so, I will get into details.....

When designing the trailers, there are many areas of concern.

It starts with the frame construction. There are crossmembers in the frame to support the floor which the tank must fit between. This limits size. The tank can only be so deep in order to maintain road clearance which also limits size. The tank can only be so long to leave room for the inlet pipes. Then we add in features which you will appreciate while towing such as keeping the tank as tight a possible to the axle. Not only does this reduce the vulnerablilty of the tank from curbs and such, it also helps balance the weight. This tank placement is one of the factors in which we received a 4 star rating from the RV Consumer Group. Many if not most RV trailers will have the 4000ish gallon fresh water tank under the bed a the front of the trailer and the 3500ish gallon grey tank under the bathroom at the rear of the trailer (generalizing here). Looks great on the lot because you can be self contained for 3 months! You leave home with the trailer loaded for your trip and the front wheels of the truck in the air with all that hitch weight. When you come home...hitch is lighter but no the trailer is all over the place because the water is in the back...or at least until you hit the sani. Tongue and cheek obviously... but accurate. Escape owners do not worry about water transfer as both tanks strattle the axle.

Early models of the Escape had an 8 gallon black tank and a 14 gallon grey tank. New customers were quite happy with the new tank sizes of 14 gal black and 20.5 gal grey. I agree, another 5-10 gallons would be great, but at what cost? Everyone would still empty 50 gallons of water on a weekend trip if it was there and still say...why can't that Reace guy put in a larger tank?

I hear ya and I'm always looking for solutions.....I even fell asleep late one night on a creeper under a trailer while studying it for hours! ...(NO KIDDING )

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Old 01-02-2009, 08:44 AM   #27
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Hi: Reace... No lynch mob here. I understand from a design stand point it comes down to a balancing act. Your caught in "The Goldie Locks" syndrome. I prefer a fine ballance and easier towability. If water weighs 10lbs an imp. gal then we just have to be responsible conserveters of water at all times!!!
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Old 01-02-2009, 11:21 AM   #28
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Hi Reace

I think most of us just thought if it was available as an option (and would fit of course,
I myself) would go for it, a little extra weight won't be any problem for my tow vehicle.
For myself the more important question was will any size fresh water tank fit
under the bed so as not to freeze.

PS:- Sorry, no frontier justice intended.....

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Old 01-02-2009, 12:35 PM   #29
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Yep.. I totally agree.. I think "if" it's possible to maintain the design integrity and it is feasible to have larger tanks some would opt for it.. But all in all it's not a big "whoopie".. It's all part of the journey.. hey speaking of Journey I think they were the best rock band ever!! (just joking... it's really Led Zepplin...or maybe the Who.. hold it it's the Rolling Stones.. no .. it's.....)

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Yep.. I totally agree.. I think "if" it's possible to maintain the design integrity and it is feasible to have larger tanks some would opt for it.. But all in all it's not a big "whoopie".. It's all part of the journey.. hey speaking of Journey I think they were the best rock band ever!! (just joking... it's really Led Zepplin...or maybe the Who.. hold it it's the Rolling Stones.. no .. it's.....)

Time for another poll......
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