2022 Tundra

[bouterse]

Anyone get a new Tundra for Christmas?
I ordered the Platinum this week. It will be at least a few months before we get it.

[oldwave]

Be interested in your impressions, next year (2023) we will be shopping

[WanderBred]

I got my 2021 4 or 5 months ago before the v8's disappeared.

[Mike Lewis]

I had hoped to buy a 2023 Tundra, but I didn't realize that a V-8 will not be available. Bummer! Maybe I should go truck shopping now...

[WanderBred]

Originally Posted by Mike Lewis

I had hoped to buy a 2023 Tundra, but I didn't realize that a V-8 will not be available. Bummer! Maybe I should go truck shopping now...

Good luck.

[Vermilye]

Let's hope the turbocharged V6 does the trick. So far I've been happy with my F150 3.5 EcoBoost...

[oldwave]

I expect the turbo will be excellent

[Mike Lewis]

The 5.x liter V-8 in the Tundra was supposed to be one of the best V-8s made. I'm sorry to see it go. A Tundra owner I met said he had friends who had 400k miles on their Tundras.


Maybe in 2023 Toyota will put that dual-turbo V6 in a Tacoma. Pocket rocket.

[Mike Lewis]

Originally Posted by Vermilye

Let's hope the turbocharged V6 does the trick. So far I've been happy with my F150 3.5 EcoBoost...

I take it that your F150 doesn't over-rev like your Tacoma did. Is that right?

[cpaharley2008]

I have been real happy with my 2014 Ram 5.7 hemi, both in performance as well as economy. Also my 5.0 Mustang for reliving my lost yute ( as Vinny would say)....

[Brian B-P]

What someone might consider "over-revving" is a matter of their own preference (since I'm sure no one's truck engine is actually exceeding redline). Turbocharging makes more power available at a given engine speed, so conversely the same power is available at a lower speed than it would be without the turbo.

For instance, the 2016+ Tacoma has Toyota's 2GR-FKS engine (not turbocharged) with a maximum output of 207 kW (278 hp) @ 6,000 RPM. The 2022 Tundra has Toyota's newest turbocharged V6 - the V35A (also found in various Lexus and Land Cruiser models) - and it can produce that much power at 3,050 RPM. Of course no one is using that much for a sustained period, and both the non-turbo and turbocharged engines would both be running at lower speeds: for instance, the Tacoma's engine can produce 173 kW (232 hp) @ 4600 RPM, and the Tundra's turbo can produce that at 2550 RPM.

Toyota's V35A turbo V6 is very similar (in size, configuration, features, power) to Ford's EcoBoost 3.5.

[Vermilye]

My 2018 F 150 runs under 2000RPM at 63MPH in 8th gear (top gear in Tow/Haul mode). 375 HP, 470 Torque.

[Brian B-P]

Originally Posted by Vermilye

My 2018 F 150 runs under 2000RPM at 63MPH in 8th gear (top gear in Tow/Haul mode). 375 HP, 470 Torque.

Yes, much less than even the 173 kW (232 hp) of my lower example is needed on level ground, so an even lower speed works. Without a detailed power/torque curve, it's hard to pick off values for speeds other than those listed in specs for peak torque and peak power, so it's not practical to compare the engine speeds needed by different engines at other conditions.

The 470 lb-ft (637 Nm) of torque which that generation of EcoBoost 3.5 can deliver is available from 2,250 to 3,500 RPM, and the 375 horsepower (276 kW) is available only at 5,000 RPM.

[WillyB]

I can only assume when everyone laughed at Ford for moving away from the rumbly V8 power in the world's best selling truck Toyota did not laugh.

I'll bet the Toyota Twin Turbo V-6 will be highly reliable.

I have the 2016 F150 3.5 Twin Turbo and am always impressed by the amount of smooth low RPM (1200-2000) power it delivers. When I run it the 2500 RPM range I'm still amazed.

FWIW, I do miss the V8 rumble!

[cpaharley2008]

Originally Posted by WillyB

I can only assume when everyone laughed at Ford for moving away from the rumbly V8 power in the world's best selling truck Toyota did not laugh.

I'll bet the Toyota Twin Turbo V-6 will be highly reliable.

I have the 2016 F150 3.5 Twin Turbo and am always impressed by the amount of smooth low RPM (1200-2000) power it delivers. When I run it the 2500 RPM range I'm still amazed.

FWIW, I do miss the V8 rumble!

Yes, the whine replaces the rumble....

[John in Santa Cruz]

I dunno why people are so freaked out by higher RPMs on occasion. I drove small engine high revving small 4 cyl cars for years... My 89 Jetta GLI was geared such that just going down the highway at 65 MPH was something around 3200 RPM in 5th (top) gear, and going fast in the mountains you could be in the 4000-6000 RPM up and down shifting (short ration 5-speed stick) for best performance and sometimes I did that for an hour or more. I put 250000 miles on that engine driving like that and it was still running great when I sold it.

Key thing on that Jetta, it had a huge radiator proportional to its little 1800cc engine, so it was impossible to overheat, even sustained very high speeds in 100F weather and it just screamed along.

[WillyB]

Originally Posted by John in Santa Cruz

I dunno why people are so freaked out by higher RPMs on occasion.

I had an 8,000 RPM Honda S2000 for several years. It was very happy anywhere over 6,500 RPM.

Loved that car but three sets of tires in 4 years made me rethink the fun of 90 MPH four wheel drifting through the corners.

[Chamberman]

Originally Posted by John in Santa Cruz

I dunno why people are so freaked out by higher RPMs on occasion. I drove small engine high revving small 4 cyl cars for years... My 89 Jetta GLI was geared such that just going down the highway at 65 MPH was something around 3200 RPM in 5th (top) gear, and going fast in the mountains you could be in the 4000-6000 RPM up and down shifting (short ration 5-speed stick) for best performance and sometimes I did that for an hour or more. I put 250000 miles on that engine driving like that and it was still running great when I sold it.

Key thing on that Jetta, it had a huge radiator proportional to its little 1800cc engine, so it was impossible to overheat, even sustained very high speeds in 100F weather and it just screamed along.

Different people perceive and respond to the sounds of their vehicles in different ways. Almost everyone is used to how their vehicle sounds and responds at low throttle positions and low RPM's around town and on the highway. As the sound and vibrations intensify as the RPM's rise so may their dislike of that noise.

Many years ago I had a 4.6L Mustang GT that I had installed a FRPP supercharger kit on. It used an Eaton M112 compressor and made a very unique high pitched "whirring" sound when you hit the throttle hard enough to close the bypass and bring the compressor online. If you want to hear what one sounds like watch the deer chase scene in the opening minutes of "I am Legend" where Will Smith is driving the GT500. They did a good job of capturing that Eaton compressor at work in the movie.

To myself and most of the folks that rode in the car the sound of the V8 wailing combined with the whirr of the Eaton was pure mechanical nirvana however I had a few people that rode in the car that didn't like the sound. One of my friends once told me that it sounded like an old car of his that had a bad power steering pump. Needless to say I'm sure that he would have a very poor rating of that car under heavy throttle conditions. On the other hand my coworker once told me that he got goosebumps every time he heard it, so its hard to say how people will respond to the different sounds a vehicle makes under adverse loads.

[Mike Lewis]

Coincidentally, both the Tundra and Tacoma had a dealer-installed supercharger option for a while. I never rode in one so equipped so I don't know what they sounded like.

Like many Americans, I am accustomed to larger engines that turn slower and don't make that high-pitched whine, so the high-rev whine gets on my nerves. In fact, I don't like noise at all. I'd probably love an electric car.

[Chamberman]

Originally Posted by Mike Lewis

Coincidentally, both the Tundra and Tacoma had a dealer-installed supercharger option for a while. I never rode in one so equipped so I don't know what they sounded like.

Like many Americans, I am accustomed to larger engines that turn slower and don't make that high-pitched whine, so the high-rev whine gets on my nerves. In fact, I don't like noise at all. I'd probably love an electric car.

In that regard then the new V6 Tundra is worth a test drive. I think you'll find it to have copious amounts of torque down low, with more grunt than the V8 at low RPM's.

I would be very surprised if you could hear any whine or noise from the turbo on the new Tundra. Most modern turbocharged engines I've driven have little to no discernable "whine" or turbine noise. Supercharged engines do, but not turbocharged, when the inlet plumbing and air box is well designed the whine can be greatly minimized or even eliminated. My wife's car is a 2014 VW GLI which uses their 2.0L turbocharged engine and the turbo is silent. The only modern turbo'd engine I've experienced whine on was a friends Dodge with the Cummin's diesel that I helped him install an aftermarket air filter and inlet plumbing on. After the air inlet install the turbo whine became quite noticeable, but when you start doing aftermarket things to the air inlet to increase power you have to expect that.