21 towing: no WDH and medium sized trucks? - Escape Trailer Owners Community

Go Back   Escape Trailer Owners Community > Escape Tech > Towing and Hitching
Click Here to Login
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
 
Old 05-29-2016, 05:41 PM   #1
Senior Member
 
Greggo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Solvang, California
Trailer: 2016 21' Escape (usetaowna a 19, a Burro and 2 Casitas)
Posts: 811
21 towing: no WDH and medium sized trucks?

I really can't/don't want to mess with a weight distribution hitch and my Tacoma and incoming 21. Any folks towing 21's with medium duty trucks like Tacomas/Colorados/etc without a WDH?

What mod's like air bags or after market suspension upgrades were involved. I added a 4th leaf spring already that makes towing my 19 a breeze. Hoping it will be the same with the 21.

Not questioning the glory of a WDH, I know their virtues. Various injuries make hassling with one a no go for me. As time marches on we get to pay the price for life's past indescretions, sort of like maxing out credit cards for a vacation!
__________________

__________________
Some who wander are not lost...
Greggo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-29-2016, 06:31 PM   #2
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Edmonton, Alberta
Trailer: 1979 Boler B1700
Posts: 12,279
Quote:
Originally Posted by Greggo View Post
Any folks towing 21's with medium duty trucks like Tacomas/Colorados/etc without a WDH?
You threw me for a minute: "medium duty" trucks are things that can weigh ten tons or more when loaded... of course you meant medium-sized pickup trucks, as shown in the thread title.

The "etc" might be a Frontier... although I can't think of a forum member towing a 21' with one, only smaller models (including 19') and the 5.0/5.0TA. The Colorado/Canyon only grew to mid-sized recently, so the odds are low for that one.
__________________

Brian B-P is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-29-2016, 07:05 PM   #3
Senior Member
 
Greggo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Solvang, California
Trailer: 2016 21' Escape (usetaowna a 19, a Burro and 2 Casitas)
Posts: 811
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brian B-P View Post
You threw me for a minute: "medium duty" trucks are things that can weigh ten tons or more when loaded... of course you meant medium-sized pickup trucks, as shown in the thread title.

The "etc" might be a Frontier... although I can't think of a forum member towing a 21' with one, only smaller models (including 19') and the 5.0/5.0TA. The Colorado/Canyon only grew to mid-sized recently, so the odds are low for that one.
I had that in mind when I was thinking of calling a Tacoma anything but a medium truck. I know trucks are pretty prevalent above the border and know from my travels that up your way a truck is more a definition of body style but down here, if it "ain't an f-250 with anything less that 6 wheels, it ain't squat"! Horns on the crash bars make it "more better".

We're a little more genteel here in SoCal, where a Tacoma/Colorado/Frontier/Ranger can be grudgingly accepted as a truck, but to plenty of folks here, it's not the # of wheels as much as how many feet it's off the ground that defines a "truck"!
Attached Images
File Type: jpg d1d11c85f0051468ff7897d2ea25962e.jpg (17.6 KB, 275 views)
__________________
Some who wander are not lost...
Greggo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-29-2016, 07:17 PM   #4
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Alvin, Wisconsin
Trailer: Currently Shopping
Posts: 2,313
Quote:
Originally Posted by Greggo View Post
I had that in mind when I was thinking of calling a Tacoma anything but a medium truck. I know trucks are pretty prevalent above the border and know from my travels that up your way a truck is more a definition of body style but down here, if it "ain't an f-250 with anything less that 6 wheels, it ain't squat"! Horns on the crash bars make it "more better".

We're a little more genteel here in SoCal, where a Tacoma/Colorado/Frontier/Ranger can be grudgingly accepted as a truck, but to plenty of folks here, it's not the # of wheels as much as how many feet it's off the ground that defines a "truck"!
I own a fullsize Ram 1500 with the Hemi V8 . I agree it is not a truck ,it is a glorified passenger vehicle or what is called a "Grocery Getter" Real trucks are one ton and above. In the real world a Tacoma is a toy truck , the same as mine. I have to also agree that California is in a world of its own so things may be different there .
Good luck with whatever you decide on for a vehicle .

PS : I did add a set of Airlift airbags to my rear suspension and they did improve ride and ride height when towing.
steve dunham is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-29-2016, 07:22 PM   #5
Site Team
 
cpaharley2008's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Chilliwack, British Columbia
Trailer: Escape#4, 2019 Escape21 DejaView pulled by 2014 Ram Hemi/8sp
Posts: 20,757
The Andersen w/d is very easy to use as compared to conventional set ups.
__________________
Jim
"Never in doubt,..... often wrong!"
cpaharley2008 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-29-2016, 07:46 PM   #6
Senior Member
 
thoer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Galesville, Wisconsin
Trailer: 2017 21 "Blue II" & 2017 Highlander XLE (previously 2010 17B "Blue" & 2008 Tacoma)
Posts: 4,207
21 towing: no WDH and medium sized trucks?

Greg, you can always add one if you try it without and you don't like how it feels. I appreciate the way the WDH makes the two vehicles feel more like one unit and am more than willing to spend the couple of minutes the hookup takes for that. But you may well feel that it tows and handles to your liking without a WDH. On my 2008 Tacoma I always felt like the rear springs were too lightweight so the WDH helped a lot with rear sag.


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
__________________
Eric (and Mary who is in no way responsible for anything stupid I post)

"Beware of false knowledge; it is more dangerous than ignorance." George Bernard Shaw
thoer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-29-2016, 09:21 PM   #7
Senior Member
 
Greggo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Solvang, California
Trailer: 2016 21' Escape (usetaowna a 19, a Burro and 2 Casitas)
Posts: 811
Thanks, I'm looking for options to a WDH. The Anderson and or airbags are doable, I'm hoping the 21 handles when hitched similar to my 19 but a loaded storage box might change the equation.

Thoer, thanks but its not a question of want/don't want to use a WDH, it's more like can't. Had one on a prior rig so I know what to expect but (cue the violins) low back op's, a neck and shoulder injury from my crime fighting days plus a pending wrist fusion from hockey and it's a road I'd rather not go down. Besides, I got tired of wiping grease off my hands and knees!!

I hear a lot of trash talk about the Anderson hitch, any words of praise?

G (stands for gimp)
__________________
Some who wander are not lost...
Greggo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-29-2016, 09:40 PM   #8
Senior Member
 
thoer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Galesville, Wisconsin
Trailer: 2017 21 "Blue II" & 2017 Highlander XLE (previously 2010 17B "Blue" & 2008 Tacoma)
Posts: 4,207
Sorry Greg, looks like I didn't read your first post well enough. Since you added a leaf to the rear springs you might just be fine with your setup as it is.
__________________
Eric (and Mary who is in no way responsible for anything stupid I post)

"Beware of false knowledge; it is more dangerous than ignorance." George Bernard Shaw
thoer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-29-2016, 09:46 PM   #9
Senior Member
 
gbaglo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: North Vancouver, British Columbia
Trailer: 2009 Escape 17B - "Toad". '08 Toyota RAV4 V6
Posts: 14,252
Since the Andersen is a WDH, I don't see that as an option in your situation.
__________________
2009 Escape 17B "Toad"
2008 Toyota RAV4 V6 Sport
North Vancouver, British Columbia

What happens to the hole when the cheese is gone?
- Bertolt Brecht
gbaglo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-29-2016, 09:50 PM   #10
Senior Member
 
paulw's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Marysville, Washington
Trailer: 2014 Escape 21 & Chevy Silverado 5.3L EcoTec
Posts: 640
Quote:
Originally Posted by Greggo View Post
Thanks, I'm looking for options to a WDH. The Anderson and or airbags are doable, I'm hoping the 21 handles when hitched similar to my 19 but a loaded storage box might change the equation.

Thoer, thanjs but its not a question of want/don't want to use a WDH, it's more like can't. Had one on a prior rig so I know what to expect but (cue the violins) low back op's, a neck and shoulder injury from my crime fighting days plus a pending wrist fusion from hockey and it's a road I'd rather not go down. Besides, I got tired of wiping grease off my hands and knees!!

I hear a lot of trash talk about the Anderson hitch, any words of praise?

G (stands for gimp)
I like mine.... bought it for my Trailblazer/21 and still use it now that I have a Silverado. The truck doesn't need it, but it smoothes the ride and is easy to install.... I do have to take a knee to tighten the nuts on the chains tho'. (No grease).
paulw is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-29-2016, 09:50 PM   #11
Site Team
 
rbryan4's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Canyon Lake, Texas
Trailer: 2015 19 "Past Tents", 2018 F150 2.7L Ecoboost
Posts: 9,519
21 towing: no WDH and medium sized trucks?

We like the Andersen. I'd recommend a power jack however, because there's more cranking in order to attach or remove the triangle plate. There's no greasy mess either. The sway control is superb. The Andersen gives towing a "one piece" feel for us. Very solid tow.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
__________________
"You can't buy happiness, but you can buy an RV. And that is pretty close."
rbryan4 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-29-2016, 09:50 PM   #12
Senior Member
 
Greggo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Solvang, California
Trailer: 2016 21' Escape (usetaowna a 19, a Burro and 2 Casitas)
Posts: 811
Quote:
Originally Posted by gbaglo View Post
Since the Andersen is a WDH, I don't see that as an option in your situation.
Glenn, I scratched the Anderson because of the miserable reviews. It's definitely low impact enough if it a). works and b). holds up. Do you use one? Thoughts?
__________________
Some who wander are not lost...
Greggo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-29-2016, 10:19 PM   #13
Member
 
Join Date: May 2015
Location: Salinas, California
Trailer: 2016 Escape 19, 2007 Tacoma 4X4 V6 tow package
Posts: 59
I was looking at the Anderson then when Escape stopped offering it I went for the E2 whd. Probably overkill for my Tacoma but that along with the power jack makes it very easy to hook up. No grease around. I do have to take a knee to get the bars in place. Just posting this for extra info
Jeff in Salinas is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-29-2016, 10:40 PM   #14
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Milam, Texas
Trailer: 2016 ESCAPE 21
Posts: 132
Air bags work really well and they are not very hard to install yourself. The Tacoma will have enough power and the airbags will level it back up when you are towing. I prefer them over adding extra leaf springs because adding the springs often makes for a much rougher ride when you are not towing. I have had mine for a few years but I think you can still get them for a bit over $200. The Air Ride brand comes with lifetime warranty I believe.
thumper-tx is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-29-2016, 11:12 PM   #15
Senior Member
 
Greggo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Solvang, California
Trailer: 2016 21' Escape (usetaowna a 19, a Burro and 2 Casitas)
Posts: 811
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeff in Salinas View Post
I was looking at the Anderson then when Escape stopped offering it I went for the E2 whd. Probably overkill for my Tacoma but that along with the power jack makes it very easy to hook up. No grease around. I do have to take a knee to get the bars in place. Just posting this for extra info
Great responses, thanks guys! Think I'll give the Andersen or airbags a whirl if it needs something.

Jeff, welcome to the Cal Escape Club, some call us a herd but I think we're more like a mob. A herd at least follows the head bull, we're all over the pasture, but we're lovable once you get used to us.

FYI, try towing without a WDH. I have +20k miles pulling our 19 with a 2010 Tacoma with nothing more that a Home Depot hitch. I actually like the one that has 3 balls in one, gives me something to hook the breakaway to. Nothing to it, easy and tows fine. No bounce, no sway, droop is maybe an inch.

G
__________________
Some who wander are not lost...
Greggo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-29-2016, 11:17 PM   #16
Senior Member
 
Greg A's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Phoenix, Arizona
Trailer: 2015 Escape 19 "Seventy Degrees"
Posts: 2,990
Hey Greggo,

Love the three baller! I've restored trailers for 10 years and it allows me to go pick up whatever without having to worry if I have the right ball with me.
Greg A is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-29-2016, 11:23 PM   #17
Senior Member
 
Greggo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Solvang, California
Trailer: 2016 21' Escape (usetaowna a 19, a Burro and 2 Casitas)
Posts: 811
Quote:
Originally Posted by Greg A View Post
Hey Greggo,

Love the three baller! I've restored trailers for 10 years and it allows me to go pick up whatever without having to worry if I have the right ball with me.
There's a joke there but we'll save it for the campfire at Quartzsite!! I can only imagine what Earl would chime in! Ha!

G
__________________
Some who wander are not lost...
Greggo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-29-2016, 11:33 PM   #18
Senior Member
 
gbaglo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: North Vancouver, British Columbia
Trailer: 2009 Escape 17B - "Toad". '08 Toyota RAV4 V6
Posts: 14,252
Quote:
Originally Posted by Greggo View Post
Glenn, I scratched the Anderson because of the miserable reviews. It's definitely low impact enough if it a). works and b). holds up. Do you use one? Thoughts?
I don't have the Andersen.
Bunch of people jumped at it after a couple recommendations, and then a bunch jumped off and ETI quit offering it.
I wasn't willing to pay $200 more for a WDH that didn't appear to do anything more than my Pro Series.
I have no expertise, but I question the use of air bags or other devices to stiffen the rear suspension. The WDH shifts weight to the front axle of the the tow and to the trailer. An air bag just makes it harder to compress the rear suspension ( that's my interpretation ).
Since my vehicle is mostly in front wheel drive, unless four wheel is required, I wanted weight transferred to the front.
Since I don't drive at night, I wasn't worried about where my headlights are pointed.
__________________
2009 Escape 17B "Toad"
2008 Toyota RAV4 V6 Sport
North Vancouver, British Columbia

What happens to the hole when the cheese is gone?
- Bertolt Brecht
gbaglo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-30-2016, 12:05 AM   #19
Senior Member
 
sunrisetrucker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Nanaimo Vancouver Island, British Columbia
Trailer: 2015 17b "Shelly"
Posts: 347
Quote:
Originally Posted by Greggo View Post

I hear a lot of trash talk about the Anderson hitch, any words of praise?

G (stands for gimp)
I bought one with high hopes, but after two trips with it I wouldn't wish one on my worst enemy.
__________________
Like a lot of fellows, I have a furniture problem. My chest has fallen into my drawers
"Billy Casper"
sunrisetrucker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-30-2016, 12:17 AM   #20
Senior Member
 
Patandlinda's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Ventura County, California
Trailer: 2013 19 Escape
Posts: 6,283
Quote:
Originally Posted by Greggo View Post
Glenn, I scratched the Anderson because of the miserable reviews. It's definitely low impact enough if it a). works and b). holds up. Do you use one? Thoughts?
Hi Gregg . We have airbags on truck for years . Don't know if we can compare with our trucks . But I remember Dennis when he hooked us up said that was good . We use no sway or weight hitch at all . We also have front box . Pat
__________________

Patandlinda is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off




» Featured Campgrounds

Reviews provided by

Disclaimer:

This website is not affiliated with or endorsed by Escape Trailer Industries or any of its affiliates. This is an independent, unofficial site.


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:06 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Copyright 2012 Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.
×