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02-12-2022, 09:50 AM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: Mount Horeb, Wisconsin
Trailer: 2023 5.0 TA
Posts: 107
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5.0 & Payload & Bedrail Height
I've been lurking for almost 3 years and have read most things on hitching and towing the 5.0. My questions are about actual payload read off the door sticker rather than off a chart/table that lists the max "possible" payload. I've read the survey done of folks payload ratings, and I understand for each person there is a personal level of comfort with the payload rating. Some travel alone and 1,400 lbs is perfect for them. Some folks travel light, some travel heavy, I'd like to think I'm in the middle.
I'm using a loaded 5.0 pin weight of 1,000 lbs for my calculations and we will have 2-3 adults and a dog, the mount for the hitch, the hitch, perhaps a spare tire or water or fuel for extended trips to Mexico or Alaska. I'd love to have some gear in the bed, perhaps even a locking box between the hitch and back of the cab, ect . So to me it quickly gets up to a payload of 1,700 - 1,800 lbs if not higher.
I'd say 98% of every truck I've looked has a payload between 1,400 and 1,600 lbs as read by the sticker not by manufacturer tables/charts. I'd love a 3.0 diesel in a 150 -1500 series but they seem to have the lowest actual payload of all the engines (based on observation of reading stickers).
So we started looking at new 250-2500 series and the bed rails seem to be at the cab 57.5" to 59.5" at the tailgate. Payload would be a non issue but the bed rails are to high.
We are driven by the options and level of trim that we would like. We've never had gadgets like a heads up display or the ability to read speed limit signs or keeping you in your lane ... so we'd kinda like to have that stuff in our retirement. But it comes at a payload cost.
There seems to be a gap between the 150 1500 series of trucks and the 250 2500 series, actual payloads around 1,500 lbs and then 3,000 lbs. Is there nothing in between?
We'd love the Ford Powerboost hybrid but the actual payloads are about 1,400 lbs, for us too low.
I guess I'm just frustrated in we know it's a 5.0 we want (deposit is in), we know it's designed around short bed 1/2 ton trucks, but having trouble finding a TV that would meet our extended travel needs/wants. Any advice would be appreciated. I've attached a payload chart for Ford F150's so you can see that the max possible payloads seem fine but you'll have to take my word that the actual are not. We aren't married to Ford, any brand is fine. This chart from Ford is the best I've seen so far. Before you ask, the 7,850 lb GVWR frame is only available on XLT and lower. We've never had a vehicle higher than XLT so that's out.
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02-12-2022, 09:59 AM
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#2
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Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: Mount Horeb, Wisconsin
Trailer: 2023 5.0 TA
Posts: 107
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Looks like I missed adding the table
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02-12-2022, 10:00 AM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Central, Pennsylvania
Trailer: Escape#5 2022 E19
Posts: 26,268
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Fiberglass trailers will last a long time, thus tow vehicles can and will change over ownership. Seems to me most short bed trucks should work, my Ram has towed 4 different Escapes and waiting for it's fifth one now!
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Sometime life gets in the way of living.......
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02-12-2022, 10:22 AM
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Senior Member
Join Date: May 2020
Location: Overbrook, Kansas
Trailer: 2021 E19 (Padawan)
Posts: 1,905
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It’s all going to be a set of comprises and give and take. Most 1/2 ton pickups come in with, to my thinking, pretty low payloads, but when I was looking, some max payload packages were over 3000lbs. It all depends on the give and take. I ended up with an XLT Ranger at 1828lbs payload because it was sufficient for me, and I already have a 3/4 ton. I don’t tow a 5.0, so you will have to sort and build carefully to get a vehicle that works for your needs. It can be time consuming, but it can be done, and no vehicle will be perfect in every area. There are always life and design compromises.
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1998 C 2500 (Cruncher) and 2021 Ranger (Yoda)
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02-12-2022, 10:29 AM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: Lanesboro, MN, between Whalan and Fountain, Minnesota
Trailer: 2016 Bigfoot 25RQ - (2018 Escape 5.0 sold)
Posts: 2,154
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Look at Trailer Weights In The Real World. Of the eleven 5.0TA's in the sheet only one 5.0 has 1036# pin weight, 760 is the next highest pin weight and the rest are less than that.
Our 2019 Lariat with 6.5' bed has a door sticker of 1736#'s. Our 2015 XLT had a door sticker of 1975#'s, but that's 2015.
If you choose an XLT I wouldn't worry about your cargo capacity/pin weight.
Enjoy,
Perry
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02-12-2022, 10:57 AM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2020
Location: East of Austin, Texas
Trailer: 2021 Escape 5.0 / 2022 F150 SuperCab
Posts: 2,866
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeremy Kessenich
..... So to me it quickly gets up to a payload of 1,700 - 1,800 lbs if not higher.
I'd say 98% of every truck I've looked has a payload between 1,400 and 1,600 lbs as read by the sticker not by manufacturer tables/charts.....
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I understand your frustration and agree that achieving higher payload ratings on a 150/1500 series truck can be a challenge, especially when looking at 'in-inventory' vehicles on dealer lots/listings.
I'll offer one potential ray of hope, please see the attached stickers for a 2021 F150 Extended cab XLT 4x4 with 6.5ft box and a rated payload of 1812#. This a truck I chanced upon in a local dealer's inventory, I would have purchased this truck but for the lack of the extended trailer tow mirrors which are on my "must have" list (since seeing this truck on the dealer lot I've placed an order for an F150 tailored to my exact 'wants').
My point being, as you recognize you 'can't have everything' (options inevitably detract from payload), but I suggest that with careful consideration and study of resources** available on the internet it is likely possible to get a nicely equipped F150 with the payload you seek by ordering a truck to your specifications. Perhaps the same for GM 1500's, I'm only able to comments on Ford F150 because that's my marque of choice (YMMV).
Wishing you the best in your continued search / research for your ideal vehicle!
** Examples of very helpful resources for specifying F150's are the current F150 Dealer Order Guide (frequently updated) and the Ford 2021 F150 Specs eSourceBook (2022 F150 is substantively identical to 2021), both found online with the help of google
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02-12-2022, 11:12 AM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: Lanesboro, MN, between Whalan and Fountain, Minnesota
Trailer: 2016 Bigfoot 25RQ - (2018 Escape 5.0 sold)
Posts: 2,154
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When we purchased our 2015 and 2019 F150's I told the dealer what I wanted and he searched dealers in a 500 mile radius and found us exactly the truck we wanted. We received both trucks within 48 hours. I know today that inventory at dealers is much, much more limited, but it's worth a shot.
Enjoy,
Perry
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02-12-2022, 11:21 AM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2018
Location: Austin, Texas
Trailer: 2019 5.0TA "Junior", 2019 Ram 1500 5.7 Hemi
Posts: 1,600
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I have a 2019 Ram 1500 5.7 hemi. I had to special order it to get the options I wanted - a quad (extended) cab with 6'4" bed, larger gas tank, factory tow mirrors and brake controller. I have a Lone Star / Bighorn trim, far from the fanciest but seems luxurious to us in replacing a much older truck. And keeping other options to a minimum yielded a higher payload, 1804 pounds. If you have a long lead time to get your truck while waiting on your 5.0 to be built, you might look into special ordering to get it equipped exactly as you want.
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02-17-2022, 10:01 AM
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Member
Join Date: Dec 2020
Location: Whitehorse, Yukon
Trailer: 2022 Escape 21 NE
Posts: 85
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Our RAM has a payload of 850 pounds. That's not a typo
The best 1500 diesel truck for payload is the Silverado I believe. That might work for you
We've decided to go with a 2500. Got to get rid of this RAM first. No offers yet
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02-17-2022, 11:00 AM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Tucson, AZ, Arizona
Trailer: gone, 19 and 21 & 17B with 5.0 now. gone
Posts: 790
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payload of RAM
Our '21 RAM is like David's, 1800#, 6 1/2' bed and we have a large box ahead of the 5th wheel and a smaller tool box near the tail gate. The weights are all well within the numbers and room for everything. The hemi does very well pulling mountains and on gas with the change to 4 cyl when necessary. This is our third hemi in 10 years.
AZjack
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