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03-02-2017, 08:05 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Surrey, British Columbia
Trailer: 2016 - Escape 19 (2nd Gen), 2021 F150 Powerboost
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I’ve prepared a chart that compares small diesel tow vehicles against equivalent gas vehicles. I didn’t include the larger diesels in the ¾ ton series trucks because they are overkill for Escape trailers. For fuel costs I used Vancouver prices which are probably the highest in North America. No matter your fuel cost, the ratios are still applicable. I added a maintenance cost for diesel to the overall cost because fleet managers say they cost more. The maintenance number is kind of arbitrary but does reflect a little bit of research. I think the cost/ft lbs of torque is useful. High torque + low cost = fun towing. The Ram diesel makes very little difference in the Ram pickup but sure looks good in the Cherokee. The Canyon diesel looks positively stunning though I have no idea how reliable it is. It’s got the lowest overall cost, the best cost/torque, and the same torque to weight ratio that the big boys have.
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03-02-2017, 09:00 PM
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#22
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Junior Member
Join Date: Feb 2017
Location: Chattanooga, Tennessee
Trailer: 2013 Escape 5.0, 2017 Toyota Tundra 5.7L 4x4
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davescape,
wow! quite the resource you have provided here. This is an excellent reference material.
Thank you kindly
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03-02-2017, 09:11 PM
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#23
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Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: Monona, Wisconsin
Trailer: 2023 21NE "Hardley II" 2021 Toyota Tacoma (Diesel Jeep stranded us twice so it had to go)
Posts: 341
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Quote:
Originally Posted by davescape
... The Ram diesel makes very little difference in the Ram pickup but sure looks good in the Cherokee. The Canyon diesel looks positively stunning though I have no idea how reliable it is. It’s got the lowest overall cost, the best cost/torque, and the same torque to weight ratio that the big boys have.
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When I looked at your chart I wondered why you jumped up to the Overland trim for the Grand Cherokee. So then I went to the Canadian Jeep site and found out that it's not available on a lower trim. Kinda weird that in the US we can get it in a Limited which is about $5k (USD) less.
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03-02-2017, 09:35 PM
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#24
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Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Surrey, British Columbia
Trailer: 2016 - Escape 19 (2nd Gen), 2021 F150 Powerboost
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Screwup Alert I've got the wrong Ram mileage numbers down. Here's the corrected data
The Ram Diesel is looking pretty good now.
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03-02-2017, 09:40 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Surrey, British Columbia
Trailer: 2016 - Escape 19 (2nd Gen), 2021 F150 Powerboost
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimrules
When I looked at your chart I wondered why you jumped up to the Overland trim for the Grand Cherokee. So then I went to the Canadian Jeep site and found out that it's not available on a lower trim. Kinda weird that in the US we can get it in a Limited which is about $5k (USD) less.
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There's about 400 million less people here so we get less choice.
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03-02-2017, 11:13 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Albuquerque, New Mexico
Trailer: 2017 Escape 21 - 2016 GMC Canyon 4x4 Diesel
Posts: 118
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Dave's chart includes the three vehicles that we seriously considered before settling on the Canyon. In the end, the RAM lost out because I just can't stand the thought of driving around in something the size of today's full-size trucks, especially when it won't fit in my garage. Chose the truck over the SUV because for us, the extra space in the bed provides a lot of extra utility.
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"It ain't what you don't know that hurts you - it's what you know for sure that just ain't so.” - S. Clemens
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03-02-2017, 11:37 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: Abbotsford, British Columbia
Trailer: 2011 19'
Posts: 223
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Quote:
Originally Posted by davescape
Screwup Alert I've got the wrong Ram mileage numbers down. Here's the corrected data
The Ram Diesel is looking pretty good now.
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Thanks for doing that. I will try to remember to refer to it when I am ready for a new tow.
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03-03-2017, 03:59 AM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Central, Pennsylvania
Trailer: Escape#5 2022 E19
Posts: 26,268
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Nice job, Dave
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03-03-2017, 05:55 AM
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#29
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Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Ottawa, Ontario
Trailer: 2017 Escape 19 pulled by GMC Canyon Diesel.
Posts: 198
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I have yet to tow my 19 (May 17) but I really love my Canyon Diesel. It's the perfect size, comfortable and ready and able to tow a trailer: complete tow package with exhaust brake, integrated trailer brake, lots of torque at low RPM. I had to add 8l of DEF at 11,700 k. I am looking forward to the drive to Chilliwack and back!
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03-03-2017, 06:00 AM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Central, Pennsylvania
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Hope you stay around for the rally after your pick up.....
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03-03-2017, 06:08 AM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Ottawa, Ontario
Trailer: 2017 Escape 19 pulled by GMC Canyon Diesel.
Posts: 198
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cpaharley2008
Hope you stay around for the rally after your pick up.....
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Oh yes! I pick it up on the May 23, then 2 hour training at Valley Driving School next door and then off to Osoyoos. There is only one way to learn how to tow in the Rockies and that is just do it! Taking my time of course and being careful.
I have yet to work on my post-Osoyoos path east and that will start once I sign off the build in a couple of days. Quite the adventure...
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03-03-2017, 06:58 AM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Ottawa, Ontario
Trailer: 2017 Escape 19 pulled by GMC Canyon Diesel.
Posts: 198
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I just read the 2018 GMC Terrain will offer a diesel option. I could not find anything on capacities or towing packages. This could be an interesting vehicle for 17 owners.
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03-03-2017, 07:44 AM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: North of Danbury, Wisconsin
Trailer: 2018 Escape 21C
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JPSpins
I have yet to tow my 19 (May 17) but I really love my Canyon Diesel. It's the perfect size, comfortable and ready and able to tow a trailer: complete tow package with exhaust brake, integrated trailer brake, lots of torque at low RPM. I had to add 8l of DEF at 11,700 k. I am looking forward to the drive to Chilliwack and back!
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A lot of people must feel the same way. In February the Chevy / GM Colorado / Canyon model trucks outsold Toyota's whole lineup of truck models
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03-03-2017, 08:19 AM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: St. Thomas not BVI., Ontario
Trailer: 2014 Escape 5.0TA / 2016 Ram Eco Diesel 4X4
Posts: 8,035
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JPSpins
Oh yes! I pick it up on the May 23, then 2 hour training at Valley Driving School next door and then off to Osoyoos. There is only one way to learn how to tow in the Rockies and that is just do it! Taking my time of course and being careful.
I have yet to work on my post-Osoyoos path east and that will start once I sign off the build in a couple of days. Quite the adventure...
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Hi: JPSpins... Great timing. Sure hope we get a good look at your new rig at Niagara Wine Escape in Sept. Sounds like Ur really travelling a lot with your new truck. Seems we'll be in and out of Orleans a lot this summer. Alf
escape artist N.S. of Lake Erie
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03-03-2017, 11:39 AM
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#35
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Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: O town, British Columbia
Trailer: 2014 Escape 21 "Lightning"
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JPSpins
I just read the 2018 GMC Terrain will offer a diesel option. I could not find anything on capacities or towing packages. This could be an interesting vehicle for 17 owners.
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You made me look, I got excited, then I saw the low (imho) numbers.
http://gmauthority.com/blog/2017/01/...cations-specs/
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03-03-2017, 12:44 PM
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#36
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Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Ottawa, Ontario
Trailer: 2017 Escape 19 pulled by GMC Canyon Diesel.
Posts: 198
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Quote:
Originally Posted by escape artist
Hi: JPSpins... Great timing. Sure hope we get a good look at your new rig at Niagara Wine Escape in Sept. Sounds like Ur really travelling a lot with your new truck. Seems we'll be in and out of Orleans a lot this summer. Alf
escape artist N.S. of Lake Erie
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Hi! Of yes...any excuse to go out for a slow drive. I'd like to get some camping in near Long Sault. Friends tell me it is gorgeous as you are on little islands in the middle of the St. Lawrence. Only a couple of hours from Ottawa but may be busy because of celebrations here.
http://www.stlawrenceparks.com/campi...sault-parkway/
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03-22-2017, 07:14 AM
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#37
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Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: Haslet, Texas
Trailer: 2017 5.0 TA
Posts: 174
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Stan,
What mirror did you get to fit the Canyon? I looked on the Clearview Mirrors web site, but did not see any GMC trucks supported.
And how did ordering from Australia work for you?
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03-22-2017, 07:39 AM
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#38
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Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Ottawa, Ontario
Trailer: 2017 Escape 19 pulled by GMC Canyon Diesel.
Posts: 198
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gmchamplin
Stan,
What mirror did you get to fit the Canyon? I looked on the Clearview Mirrors web site, but did not see any GMC trucks supported.
And how did ordering from Australia work for you?
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You may want to have a look at the Milenco selection.
Mirrors - Milenco, Europe's leading manufacturer of award winning caravan products
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03-22-2017, 07:56 AM
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#39
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Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Calgary, Alberta
Trailer: 2017 Escape 5.0 TA
Posts: 15,532
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gmchamplin
Stan,
What mirror did you get to fit the Canyon? I looked on the Clearview Mirrors web site, but did not see any GMC trucks supported.
And how did ordering from Australia work for you?
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Does GMC not offer an OEM towing mirror. I have them on both my Fords, and they are fantastic. Great rear view retracted or extended, and extremely stable too.
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03-22-2017, 08:12 AM
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#40
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Junior Member
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Beaconsfield, Quebec
Trailer: 2017 Escape 19
Posts: 24
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JPSpins
Oh yes! I pick it up on the May 23, then 2 hour training at Valley Driving School next door and then off to Osoyoos. There is only one way to learn how to tow in the Rockies and that is just do it! Taking my time of course and being careful.
I have yet to work on my post-Osoyoos path east and that will start once I sign off the build in a couple of days. Quite the adventure...
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Hi Jean-Pierre,
We are getting our 19' on May 23rd as well (in the afternoon). May see you there.
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