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Old 06-21-2021, 06:32 AM   #41
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Yup! Know about this. No matter how I tweak it's still a Lie-O-Meter. Sometimes it's accurate, most times not. That's why I only trust paper/pencil. We drive all over the US, at all elevations, in all temperatures, etc. If we were only to drive locally then it's within reason, but we don't.

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My paper/pencil is a smart phone app named Mileage Keeper. Since Iíve been using it I can view the fuel history since day one of all my vehicles. And I used historical data to tweak the ďlie-o-meter.Ē Havenít done it on my new F-150 yet because I do not have enough data yet, but on my previous F-150, I was able to get it fairly accurate. Unfortunately, fuel formulations and weather conditions have an effect so I suspect a ďballparkĒ figure is the best you can get given the circumstances.
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Old 06-21-2021, 12:06 PM   #42
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Does anyone have any information on towing with the 3.5 hybrid? We are thinking of possibly going that route.
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Old 06-21-2021, 01:57 PM   #43
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Does anyone have any information on towing with the 3.5 hybrid? We are thinking of possibly going that route.
Do you watch TFL The Fast Lane Truck on YouTube. The F150 Hybrid did poorly. Iím really surprised. I expected hybrid tech to kill diesel.

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Old 06-21-2021, 04:10 PM   #44
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Do you watch TFL The Fast Lane Truck on YouTube. The F150 Hybrid did poorly. Iím really surprised. I expected hybrid tech to kill diesel.

https://youtu.be/yWf8L2g9Z4I
I haven't watched the video, but I wouldn't expect a parallel hybrid with a small (non-plug-in) battery to have any advantage over a non-hybrid with the same engine in a sustained load situation (such as TFL Truck's grade climbing test).
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Old 06-21-2021, 05:36 PM   #45
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Thanks for the link. I’ll check it out
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The TFL video was an interesting comparison between the F150 hybrid and the Dodge Ram under severe towing conditions. I was wondering if anyone has the hybrid that they have been towing with for a trip or two and can report on their experience and impressions.
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The TFL video was an interesting comparison between the F150 hybrid and the Dodge Ram under severe towing conditions. I was wondering if anyone has the hybrid that they have been towing with for a trip or two and can report on their experience and impressions.
You might get better response if you start a thread with the hybrid in your title.

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Old 06-22-2021, 12:04 PM   #48
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Does anyone have any information on towing with the 3.5 hybrid? We are thinking of possibly going that route.
What information do you need? We have 2021 F150 PowerBoost. No issues.

That's the only kind of truck and towing I have experience with - so cannot compare it with anything. We drove quite steep terrain as a part of the drive and had zero issues.

We do not do the paper/pencil record keeping on the gas consumption - so I am not going to be able to give you the mileage to the 3rd decimal accuracy. Based upon the computer on the truck (however accurate that is) seems to give us of the order of 24 mpg without towing and something between 13 to 16 while towing. I varies quite a bit with the topology, etc. Our drives have been across mountain ranges - so not very comparable with level roads.

The mileage is off the order of 3.5 EB while towing (maybe better, maybe worse) and considerably better without - more so in the city, but also on the highways. That's in line with our expectations. The kicker with the hybrid is the option to have a 7.2kW generator. We have that, though did not get a chance to use it as our battery always read 100%, so did not bother figuring that out.
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What information do you need? We have 2021 F150 PowerBoost. No issues.

That's the only kind of truck and towing I have experience with - so cannot compare it with anything. We drove quite steep terrain as a part of the drive and had zero issues.

We do not do the paper/pencil record keeping on the gas consumption - so I am not going to be able to give you the mileage to the 3rd decimal accuracy. Based upon the computer on the truck (however accurate that is) seems to give us of the order of 24 mpg without towing and something between 13 to 16 while towing. I varies quite a bit with the topology, etc. Our drives have been across mountain ranges - so not very comparable with level roads.

The mileage is off the order of 3.5 EB while towing (maybe better, maybe worse) and considerably better without - more so in the city, but also on the highways. That's in line with our expectations. The kicker with the hybrid is the option to have a 7.2kW generator. We have that, though did not get a chance to use it as our battery always read 100%, so did not bother figuring that out.
This is along the lines of what I was looking for. Our current tow vehicle is a 2001 F250 with the 7.3 liter diesel and we are looking for a quiet, smoother riding and relatively fuel efficient truck for our 21C which we have on order. We placed our order 5 weeks ago so we have at least 18 months to research and listen to other folks experiences with the F150 hybrid. Thanks all!
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All the best! In 18 months, you will have a lot more information and improvements. You will also have updates / responses from the competitors, including Toyota with major update to Tundra. We bought arguably the best truck for the purpose and are happy with it. That said, our expectations from it were fairly realistic.

So much of the mpg depends upon how hard one drives it. I had to furlough my inner Michael Schumacher and adopt an aspiring geezer persona when driving it
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We do not do the paper/pencil record keeping on the gas consumption - so I am not going to be able to give you the mileage to the 3rd decimal accuracy. Based upon the computer on the truck (however accurate that is) seems to give us of the order of 24 mpg without towing and something between 13 to 16 while towing. I varies quite a bit with the topology, etc. Our drives have been across mountain ranges - so not very comparable with level roads.
If it was just "the 3rd decimal accuracy" I wouldn't have made the statement about the Lie-O-Meter. Our 2015 was off by 1.2 to 1.7 mpg, much, much greater than "3rd decimal accuracy." I did some tweaking but still it would vary by about .7 mpg. That's still considerable. Our 2019 is better at about 1.4 mpg, error always on the high side, so I'm not going to waste my time tweaking the Lie-O-Meter. Unless you use paper and pencil you don't really know what gas mileage your getting. Using my Lie-O-Meter we're getting 14.5 or more mph pulling our 5.0, but paper and pencil says around 13.3. Huge difference!

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Perry - I understand. What I was trying to convey was that I could not give a mileage estimate to any degree of accuracy. The mpg was not among the top 100 items I was trying to worry about when doing our first ever towing trip. Knowing myself - I have not done the paper and pencil mileage for any vehicle I have owned and not sure I will start now...

I am happy that the truck provides good feedback on mpg and eco behavior to inform my driving. The error in the mpg reading was not hugely of interest. To me, it is what it is...
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I am happy that the truck provides good feedback on mpg and eco behavior to inform my driving. The error in the mpg reading was not hugely of interest. To me, it is what it is...
When stating mpg, most here want accurate information. Using a Lie-O-Meter is not accurate information.

It doesn't matter what brand, if you research you find all brands have a Lie-O-Meter. BTW, I did not invent the description. I find the meter is more accurate when I'm not pulling, but just more accurate. My friend with two Ram trucks found the same when not pulling.

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When stating mpg, most here want accurate information.

But, if it isn't accurate, can you not do a pencil and paper a few times and calculate the adjustment that's required? Or, just live with the approximation?
The results depend on the driver, the weather, the terrain and if you like rock and roll radio, so we can't all expect to arrive at the same destination at the same time.
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If we are all using the same Lie-o-meter then at least we have comparative numbers. I’m not sure I need accurate so long as we are all using the same flawed yard stick. Or should that be meter stick?
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Imagine how much better life would be if we didn't manufacture "first world problems". Imagine living in a refugee camp in Syria, instead of staying a week at a state or provincial park.
We'd get terrific mileage if we couldn't go anywhere.
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If we are all using the same Lie-o-meter then at least we have comparative numbers. I’m not sure I need accurate so long as we are all using the same flawed yard stick. Or should that be meter stick?
No, we would not. As Glenn has appropriately pointed out, any number of factors affect the “Lie-O-Meter’s” results. The “LOM’s” results are simply electronic computations made by the vehicle based upon rate of fuel burn and mileage driven and probably other factors. And in most vehicles I have ever owned, the fuel gauge reads slightly different when the vehicle is moving than when it is at rest so the rate of fuel consumption may itself be off a bit. The best one can hope for is somewhat accurate, IMO. We would have differently flawed results.
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PowerBoost for the AC?

KAVM,

You posted that you have the PowerBoost 2021 F150.

I would love to know if any of the truck's plug options will power the Air Conditioner on your Escape.

I have read that one of them is a NEMA L14-30R, but I don't know if that would work, especially with an adapter. Maybe one of the other lighter duty ones would work.

That would really be of interest if the truck would run the AC while boondocking.
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KAVM,

You posted that you have the PowerBoost 2021 F150.

I would love to know if any of the truck's plug options will power the Air Conditioner on your Escape.

I have read that one of them is a NEMA L14-30R, but I don't know if that would work, especially with an adapter. Maybe one of the other lighter duty ones would work.

That would really be of interest if the truck would run the AC while boondocking.
We do have the generator, but have not had the chance to use it. We picked up our Escape 5.0 in Sumas, WA and then took the long way home - with a steep learning curve along the way. The battery was always 100% full - so we never got a chance to try to charge it with the generator. And, we are in the process of adding a Houghton AC.

In other words, I donít really have the information you are looking for. My understanding is that the generator should charge the batteries without problem. So, if you can run the AC on the batteries, that should not be a problem.
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I did a little more research.

There are adapters that plug in to the L14-30R receptacle your truck has, that then offer an RV 30 amp receptacle for the standard RV plug (that we all have) that will receive 30 amps to be used in the Escape, just like plugging into a campground.

The result is the usable 3600 watts (30amps) that we are used to with campground receptacles, but due to the adapter, you are using one of two hot legs of the 7200 watt receptacle in the truck. Plenty for any AC.

There are some well versed electrician types on this forum, who may correct some of what I've said.
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