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12-20-2014, 05:10 PM
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It just occurred to me that my avatar picture is a interesting example.
So, we have 10'x16' frontal area, very flat, and 4400 HP.
Comments?
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12-20-2014, 05:14 PM
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#42
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Senior Member
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It's not going to fly.
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12-20-2014, 05:23 PM
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#43
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Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Phoenix Metro Area, Arizona
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dfandrews
It just occurred to me that my avatar picture is a interesting example.
So, we have 10'x16' frontal area, very flat, and 4400 HP.
Comments?
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It would work pretty well - if we all wanted to go to the same place at the same time. And since it seems like almost all RV parks are next to tracks and a major highway, having to go where the rails do is probably not a limitation.
Imagine a train with several hundred Escapes, criss-crossing North America. AND we could travel inside our trailers, looking out the windows.
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12-20-2014, 05:41 PM
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#44
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Senior Member
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Location: Calgary, Alberta
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Klem
There is a pattern of your responses that I am very uncomfortable with, and I notice other people are too.
Second request, as a Site Team person please try not to show your heavy bias. I think of the Site Team as a 'lubricant' making things go smoother and adding to healthy discussions.
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Seriously, you think a moderator should not be allowed an opinion? I totally disagree. If they can't participate in the forum, other that to 'lubricate' things, it would be a very boring volunteer position. As a moderator on FGRV I state an opinion lots of times, always making sure it is in no way a personal attack on someone. If you had of made this post on FGRV, rest assured it would be deleted. If you have issues with anyone, and especially a site team member, respectfully use PMs to discuss.
OH man, I can't believe I am actually defending baglo.
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Originally Posted by thoer
I hesitate to ever comment on heated threads. But TO ME, any blanket statements on frontal area would seem very hard to be accurate.
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It seems to me that it is being used as an excuse to justify a big truck, instead of a mid sized SUV. Using an SUV is the reason many go with a lightweight trailer like the Escape, I know it was a factor for me.
I have towed into a few really strong headwinds with my Pilot, and have suffered no ill effect, other than finding it tough to keep up to the speed limit when it is 110 kph, and watching the fuel gauge slowly sink to 'E'.
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Originally Posted by thoer
CTV site says: "Sorry, the video you have selected is not available for viewing outside of Canada." The humor must be to intellectual for us and only appropriate for
This post brought to you by The Smilies Thread.
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ABOUT TIME!!!!
Retribution is ours, says the Canucklehead. Hundreds of times in the past I have clicked on links posted by American friends, and have been unable to view them, because to some that own the video rights, Canadians are viewed as pirating scum.
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12-20-2014, 05:46 PM
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#45
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Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Ventura County, California
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jamman
It would work pretty well - if we all wanted to go to the same place at the same time. And since it seems like almost all RV parks are next to tracks and a major highway, having to go where the rails do is probably not a limitation.
Imagine a train with several hundred Escapes, criss-crossing North America. AND we could travel inside our trailers, looking out the windows.
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As you may have figured by now, that Certainly works for me.
( now where are those railroad emoticons??)
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12-20-2014, 05:53 PM
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#46
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Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Edmonton, Alberta
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rbryan4
In the interest of 'lightening up' this thread, tell that to this guy:
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I found a photo of a Corvette towing a (much smaller) trailer and sent it to a friend who owns a Corvette - he was not amused.
And since boats are so much easier to tow...
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12-20-2014, 05:53 PM
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#47
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Site Team
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jamman
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This is exactly what the Escapees RV Club does. Loaded on to flatbed rail cars and off they go. Typically down into Mexico, once a year.
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12-20-2014, 05:55 PM
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#48
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Senior Member
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: North Van., British Columbia
Trailer: 2014 Escape 19, sold; 2019 Escape 21, Sept. 2019
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One of the reasons that I appreciate the well rounded shape of the Escape is that I had a pretty graphic demonstration of the effect of a rounded shape vrs. the typical stickie flat wall.
A few years ago I wanted to tow my bike trailer to the land of sunshine with my Mazda B2300. I didn't want to put a camper on but I wanted a little more headroom and space than a canopy had. I took a junked F150 canopy, notched out the front and raised it. Took it on the highway for a try out. Even though I was expecting "to feel" it I was shocked. It was like hitting a brick wall just short of legal speed. It had no future.
I added a sloped front with rounded corners. Made several trips to CA without any problem. So, one more reason to appreciate an Escape.
Ron
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12-20-2014, 06:08 PM
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#49
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Location: Edmonton, Alberta
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Donna D.
Loaded on to flatbed rail cars and off they go. Typically down into Mexico, once a year.
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You can also go to Churchill Manitoba this way (typically to see polar bears) - with no road, it's the only practical way to get an RV there.
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12-20-2014, 06:34 PM
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#50
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Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: St. Thomas not BVI., Ontario
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Hi: All... Frontal area is another reason to like a 5.0TA.
Every morning I enjoy a cup of "Hi Test" Alf
escape artist N.S. of Lake Erie
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12-20-2014, 06:51 PM
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#51
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Senior Member
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: North Van., British Columbia
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Quote:
Originally Posted by escape artist
Hi: All... Frontal area is another reason to like a 5.0TA.
Alf escape artist N.S. of Lake Erie
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Yah, but it's not as rounded as that Corner Gas mug. Where'd you get that?
Ron
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12-20-2014, 06:58 PM
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Location: surrey, British Columbia
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If any of you have flown an airplane you will respect the fact that weight and drag are very important issues. You load an airplane based on its capabilities. The smaller the plane the lower the weight etc. Same with a trailer. You load it evenly and power the unit properly. The load which equals weight and drag come into play dramatically when you want performance. You want to do 100 then your load/drag will wear out your transmission as well as the motor. Driving within the confines of your tug will go miles to giving you acceptable performance and minimal repairs. Streamlining reduces drag thus reducing load. The escape is probably the most streamlined unit available.
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12-20-2014, 07:03 PM
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#53
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Junior Member
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Oregon, Oregon
Trailer: Looking
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Hi, I want to make sure that I understand the frontal area issue. The frontal area for a 15 foot escape is 43.5 sqft based on the H X W X .8: 8.16 X 6.66 x.8 = 43.5. I assume the .8 is for ground clearance. I found this formula on the web.
The manual for the Nissan Frontier says that the maximum frontal area should be 30 sqft.
Thanks
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12-20-2014, 07:04 PM
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#54
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Location: Calgary, Alberta
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An employee former employee of mine grew up in Ralleigh Saskatchwan, where Corner Gas is filmed
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12-20-2014, 07:21 PM
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#55
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Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Southwick, Massachusetts
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jfocallag
Hi, I want to make sure that I understand the frontal area issue. The frontal area for a 15 foot escape is 43.5 sqft based on the H X W X .8: 8.16 X 6.66 x.8 = 43.5. I assume the .8 is for ground clearance. I found this formula on the web.
The manual for the Nissan Frontier says that the maximum frontal area should be 30 sqft.
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No allotment for the rounded corners.
Using your formula, maybe 7.16 x 5.66 x .8 = 32.4
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12-20-2014, 07:21 PM
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Junior Member
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Oregon, Oregon
Trailer: Looking
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jfocallag
Hi, I want to make sure that I understand the frontal area issue. The frontal area for a 15 foot escape is 43.5 sqft based on the H X W X .8: 8.16 X 6.66 x.8 = 43.5. I assume the .8 is for ground clearance. I found this formula on the web.
The manual for the Nissan Frontier says that the maximum frontal area should be 30 sqft.
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Now I am really confused. The 2013 Frontier manual says it is 60?? Typo in 2014 and 15?
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12-20-2014, 07:36 PM
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#57
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Junior Member
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Oregon, Oregon
Trailer: Looking
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jfocallag
Now I am really confused. The 2013 Frontier manual says it is 60?? Typo in 2014 and 15?
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Could this be the difference:
'The towing capacity is calculated using the SAE International SAE J2807 test method.' It is in the 2014 but not the 2013 manual.
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12-20-2014, 11:36 PM
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#58
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Senior Member
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Location: North Vancouver, British Columbia
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Quote:
Originally Posted by thoer
I haven't had any luck finding it on any of my streaming services in the States -iTunes, Netflix or Amazon - but maybe the Canadian versions have it?
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And, this is what I get on this side of the border when I click on Comedy Central US
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12-21-2014, 01:08 AM
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#59
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Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: St. Thomas not BVI., Ontario
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron in BC
Yah, but it's not as rounded as that Corner Gas mug. Where'd you get that?
Ron
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Hi: Ron in BC... My son brought it back from the film set in Rouleau Sk. aka (Dog River). IMHO it's a national treasure!!! http://www.townofrouleau.com Alf
escape artist N.S. of Lake Erie
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12-21-2014, 01:33 AM
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#60
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Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Edmonton, Alberta
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tmorris
The escape is probably the most streamlined unit available.
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While Escape bodies are more rounded on the front than typical "box" RVs, I don't see any objective reason to believe that they are more streamlined (have lower aerodynamic drag) than a typical trailer (many of which have moulded fiberglass nose cones), let alone most trailers. The rounded rear corners are bad for aero, the overall shape doesn't have favourable characteristics (such as tapering slightly toward the tail), and the bottom does not have a smooth flush cover. The good feature is the rounded front corners, like all of the Trillium derivatives and less rounded than all of the Boler derivatives.
Perhaps the most frequently cited "low drag" trailer has been Airstream, which has a more rounded front than an Escape (how rounded depends on the vintage) and a flush bottom... but unfortunately a rounded tail as well.
Objective data about travel trailer aero drag is notably lacking, possibly because it depends so much on the tow vehicle, and no one has enough incentive to test a wide range of combinations.
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