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Old 04-02-2024, 02:04 PM   #21
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With smaller trucks, you have to watch your payload


Extreme case, my 2008 Tacoma TRD Off Road 4x4 access cab had a total payload of 1200 lbs adding a 100 lb fiberglass shell, 500 lb hitch weight for my E21, wife, me, and dog, and boom we were at the limit. Never mind my 100 lbs of tools and stuff.
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Old 04-02-2024, 02:10 PM   #22
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My Ranger XLT payload is 1827lbs. So if you get the right truck, payload is pretty good.
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Old 04-02-2024, 03:32 PM   #23
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With smaller trucks, you have to watch your payload


Extreme case, my 2008 Tacoma TRD Off Road 4x4 access cab had a total payload of 1200 lbs adding a 100 lb fiberglass shell, 500 lb hitch weight for my E21, wife, me, and dog, and boom we were at the limit. Never mind my 100 lbs of tools and stuff.
I know the feeling. My Tacoma has the same payload rating....and I know I'm very close to maxing out as well. On the plus side, between the WD hitch and sumo springs, I find the truck handles the weight very well.

I think the Ranger and Colorado/Canyon have higher payload ratings because both trucks are based on platforms initially designed for markets outside of North America, where small trucks are expected to do real work. They compete more with the Toyota Hilux .

The Tacoma ain't no Hilux. It was primarily designed as a light-duty American "lifestyle truck" (though a very well-engineered/reliable one) . From what I understand, the 4th gen Tacoma has improved payload...now that it is based on a new global truck platform,
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Old 04-02-2024, 04:21 PM   #24
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Selkirk's "lifestyle truck" comment really hit the mark with me. I tow my first gen 19 with a 2017 Nissan Frontier that I had prior to acquiring the trailer, and with the 4 liter engine and 5 speed tranny,I have no problems or complaints.



The rap on the knuckles given to my Frontier, as well as the new versions is that "it is too much like a truck!" I have plenty of payload capacity and towing capacity. In addition, I spent over 1,000 miles riding in a friend's new Tacoma last fall during the hunting season, and I found that my Frontier was far more comfortable to ride in than his Tacoma. Forward view over the hood in my truck is also significantly better. I didn't say anything about those matters to my friend because I didn't want to walk home.


In my location, the Tacoma is much more fashionable, therefore the local dealers are unwilling to negotiate price, while the Nissan dealer dropped $7,000 without even batting an eye. The new Nissans, with the new 3.8 engine and 8 speed tranny produce more horsepower, the same torque and better fuel mileage than my "old" '17 model. Take a look at one of these before committing to anything else. Your experience may vary, but try 'em all before making the commitment. If you are like me, you will be living with it for a long time, and you should be happy with whatever your choice is.
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Old 04-03-2024, 05:54 AM   #25
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I worked with a gentleman many years ago that used the phrase, "It's a matter of perspective", multiple times a day. So with that in mind:

Ford Ranger vs. Ford Super Duty F-450
https://www.truecar.com/compare/ford...er-duty-f-450/

Does that make the F150 a Mid Size?

Sorry, just couldn't resist
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Old 04-03-2024, 10:30 AM   #26
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Remember you may use this truck for stuff other than towing! There’s a reason a half ton PU of any make is the largest selling vehicle in the US….the price point penalty is not a deal breaker these days.
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Old 04-03-2024, 10:09 PM   #27
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I worked with a gentleman many years ago that used the phrase, "It's a matter of perspective", multiple times a day. So with that in mind:

Ford Ranger vs. Ford Super Duty F-450
https://www.truecar.com/compare/ford...er-duty-f-450/

Does that make the F150 a Mid Size?

Sorry, just couldn't resist
My son built his camper on a F550 4x4 diesel contractor tool truck chassis. Standard cab, 12ft "bed"...
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Old 04-04-2024, 05:03 AM   #28
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My son built his camper on a F550 4x4 diesel contractor tool truck chassis. Standard cab, 12ft "bed"...
Sounds like a "go anywhere" camper.
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With smaller trucks, you have to watch your payload


Extreme case, my 2008 Tacoma TRD Off Road 4x4 access cab had a total payload of 1200 lbs adding a 100 lb fiberglass shell, 500 lb hitch weight for my E21, wife, me, and dog, and boom we were at the limit. Never mind my 100 lbs of tools and stuff.
Hi: John in Santa Cruz... My mid size truck had a larger payload than my full size truck. It had a lot fewer "Bells and Whistles" though. Alf
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Old 04-04-2024, 11:27 AM   #30
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Sounds like a "go anywhere" camper.
It will be if he ever gets around to the planned mild lift and "super singles"...



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Hi: John in Santa Cruz... My mid size truck had a larger payload than my full size truck. It had a lot fewer "Bells and Whistles" though. Alf
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Four-Door crew cabs really add a chunk to the curb weight
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Old 04-04-2024, 06:36 PM   #32
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Just for giggles, I looked up the specs for the 2024 Toyota Hilux 2.8 4wd Diesel:

- 200hp/369lb-ft torque
- 1660lbs payload
- 6 speed manual
- 5500 to 7700lb towing capacity

That's basically my dream truck.

I need to move to Mexico!
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Old 04-04-2024, 08:51 PM   #33
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Just for giggles, I looked up the specs for the 2024 Toyota Hilux 2.8 4wd Diesel:

- 200hp/369lb-ft torque
- 1660lbs payload
- 6 speed manual
- 5500 to 7700lb towing capacity

That's basically my dream truck.

I need to move to Mexico!
We're waiting on the 2024 Tacoma 6M (manual) to arrive in Canada. It may well be our dream truck and....maybe yours (at least close)?

- 270hp/310 torque
- 1521 payload
- 6 speed manual
- 6400 towing capacity

Hoping it'll handle our on-order 17B well.
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Old 04-05-2024, 01:22 AM   #34
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All your questions are answered in this video.

<y pick would be the Colorado even know I'm a Toyota fan.

The Ike Gauntlet is the 8 miles up to the Eisenhower tunnel, the highest point on the Interstate system. 8 miles at 7% grade at max towing capacity holding 60 MPH. This is the hardest you will push your rig.

TFL The Fast Lane is highly regarded as the best source for truck tests. Over 1 million subscribers.


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Old 04-06-2024, 07:55 AM   #35
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I worked with a gentleman many years ago that used the phrase, "It's a matter of perspective", multiple times a day. So with that in mind:

Ford Ranger vs. Ford Super Duty F-450
https://www.truecar.com/compare/ford...er-duty-f-450/

Does that make the F150 a Mid Size?

Sorry, just couldn't resist
Actually, it does. I had a Nissan Frontier, which I considered a mid-size. When I spoke with ETI the first time and inquired about the 5.0 being towed by a mid-size truck, they said they considered the F150 a mid-size truck.
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Old 04-06-2024, 09:27 AM   #36
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The half tons like the F-150 are considered light trucks, 3/4 and 1 tons such as the f250f350 and above are considered medium duty trucks and of course the f-450 and f550 are monsters
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I love these guys

Who has the best MPG?

https://youtu.be/WFiF-zoK3KI?si=MXu1C8ZRO6ZEX0bS
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