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03-02-2020, 10:46 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Port Moody, British Columbia
Trailer: 2007 Escape 17B (sold); Currently 2013 19
Posts: 162
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Subaru Ascent to tow 19
Hi there,
We currently have a 17B that we have towed for many years with our Toyota Sienna AWD van with tow capacity of 3500#and have had no issues. We are currently looking to get a 19 but am assuming we would need to change our tow vehicle. We would need a TV that can also be used as a comfortable family hauler. Has anyone towed with a Subaru Ascent and if so how is it? Or does anyone have any other recommendations based on personal experience ie Kia Sorrento? Also, I know the 19 is under 3500 lbs, but I am assuming that the Toyota Sienna won't cut it. Anyone tow a 19 with a vehicle rated for 3500#? Would really appreciate any feedback. Thanks!
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03-02-2020, 11:12 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: White Bird, Idaho
Trailer: 2018 Escape 19, "Zen Purple", 2017 4X4 Chevy Colorado/Duramax
Posts: 405
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A new 19 will likely not be under 3,500 lbs with full water and propane tanks and all your stuff. Plus if you get options like A/C, solar, thermal windows, extra insulation, etc. that will add to the weight. The dry weight on mine with its options is 3,280 lbs, and I think it weighs at least 4,100 lbs fully loaded for travel. I don’t have a Subaru Ascent so I can’t speak to its towing ability, but I would hesitate to push its limits because of the CVT (transmission). I have a 2014 Forester and am a lifelong Subaru person. I worry about the CVT and its long term reliability and often wish I had opted for a manual transmission instead. Anyway, while it may be possible to keep a 19 under 3,500 lbs, I personally wouldn’t want to try.
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03-03-2020, 02:03 AM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2018
Location: Green Valley, Arizona
Trailer: 2018 5.0TA
Posts: 138
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Doublecab or crew cab pickup will do both jobs very well.
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03-03-2020, 07:19 AM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Central, Pennsylvania
Trailer: Escape#5 2022 E19
Posts: 26,268
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Quote:
Originally Posted by lorrie
Hi there,
We currently have a 17B that we have towed for many years with our Toyota Sienna AWD van with tow capacity of 3500#and have had no issues. We are currently looking to get a 19 but am assuming we would need to change our tow vehicle. We would need a TV that can also be used as a comfortable family hauler. Has anyone towed with a Subaru Ascent and if so how is it? Or does anyone have any other recommendations based on personal experience ie Kia Sorrento? Also, I know the 19 is under 3500 lbs, but I am assuming that the Toyota Sienna won't cut it. Anyone tow a 19 with a vehicle rated for 3500#? Would really appreciate any feedback. Thanks!
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The Escape website states the tow vehicle needs to have 5000# towing capacity....not 3500# The Ascent is rated that and I have read good towing reviews. Also The Highlander is another vehicle used by owners here.
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03-03-2020, 07:57 AM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: North of Danbury, Wisconsin
Trailer: 2018 Escape 21C
Posts: 3,033
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Escape lists the GVWR of the 19 at 5000 lbs , that would probably be a good reference point for choosing a tow vehicle
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03-03-2020, 10:40 AM
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Junior Member
Join Date: Aug 2019
Location: Seattle, Washington
Trailer: 2020 Escape 19
Posts: 20
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I believe the Ascent is a 5000 lb tow vehicle, however only a 4 cylinder? We went with the v6 highlander given other's rave reviews.
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03-03-2020, 12:38 PM
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Member
Join Date: Nov 2019
Location: Phillips, Wisconsin
Trailer: 2020 5.0 TA, 2018 F150 2.7 EB
Posts: 49
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jstan
I believe the Ascent is a 5000 lb tow vehicle, however only a 4 cylinder? We went with the v6 highlander given other's rave reviews.
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I’m not an engine guy, but I was told the Ascent has more torque for towing than Highlander.
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03-03-2020, 01:53 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Benton County, Iowa
Trailer: 2013 Escape 21 Classic Number 6, pulled by 2018 Toyota Highlander
Posts: 8,259
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Going to take some time and some real world experience as you asked for. Each satisfaction with a tow rig can vary upon expectations, terrain, driving style etc.Some vehicles are used as a tow and a daily driver also, and for those who usually camp April through October there’s a Considerable part of the year where they don’t tow. Everyone has to evaluate their own style and research is an excellent tool to aid in making a choice. Best of luck
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03-03-2020, 02:01 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: North Vancouver, British Columbia
Trailer: 2009 Escape 17B 2020 Toyota Highlander XLE
Posts: 17,136
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Quote:
Originally Posted by LoonCall
I’m not an engine guy, but I was told the Ascent has more torque for towing than Highlander.
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First capture is Highlander, second is Ascent. From Car and Driver reviews.
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03-03-2020, 04:22 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Port Moody, British Columbia
Trailer: 2007 Escape 17B (sold); Currently 2013 19
Posts: 162
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Thank you for your feedback everyone. Looks like more research online is needed and this forum has LOTS to wade through . Next step is to go test driving. Thanks again
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03-03-2020, 08:46 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: Ladysmith, British Columbia
Trailer: 2017 Escape 19
Posts: 218
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Take a look at the yellow label inside the door of the vehicles you like on the lot. Pay particular attention to payload and see how the same model but different optioned vehicles change. You'll find even with the Ascent there is a weight variation.
You know from your present vehicle/trailer that it's amazing what some of them can tow. However, are you doing it safely?
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03-03-2020, 09:00 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Burlington Twp., New Jersey
Trailer: 2010 Escape 19
Posts: 7,146
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Quote:
Originally Posted by salmo7000
A new 19 will likely not be under 3,500 lbs with full water and propane tanks and all your stuff. Plus if you get options like A/C, solar, thermal windows, extra insulation, etc. that will add to the weight. The dry weight on mine with its options is 3,280 lbs, and I think it weighs at least 4,100 lbs fully loaded for travel.
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Agreed. Even the classic 19’s with GVWR of 4000# are likely pushing that when fully loaded to camp. I think our last scale reading was 3860#. Lorrie please do not tow a 19 with a vehicle rated for 3500#. Attached is what Escape currently recommends.
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03-03-2020, 09:50 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: SLO County, California
Trailer: 2014 Escape 21C 2019 Expedition
Posts: 5,213
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People are gonna do what they want too much of the time. We saw Gen1 19 towed with a Lexus 400H(Hybrid)-3500# rating. Owner sold his trailer last year, always wondered how the Lexus held up. Another here boasted of using a Toyota Venza- same 3500# rating to tow a Gen2 19. Didn't care what people here were saying. So damn the ratings and pass the torpedoes!
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03-04-2020, 12:05 AM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Edmonton, Alberta
Trailer: 1979 Boler B1700
Posts: 14,935
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jstan
I believe the Ascent is a 5000 lb tow vehicle, however only a 4 cylinder?
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Did you know that the heavy trucks which haul 40 tons down the highways have six cylinder engines? The diesel engine available in the Colorado/Canyon pickup which is so highly praised by owners who tow with it has four cylinders. The size of the engine does matter, and so does turbocharging, but the number of cylinders doesn't.
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03-04-2020, 12:08 AM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Port Moody, British Columbia
Trailer: 2007 Escape 17B (sold); Currently 2013 19
Posts: 162
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rubicon327
Agreed. Even the classic 19’s with GVWR of 4000# are likely pushing that when fully loaded to camp. I think our last scale reading was 3860#. Lorrie please do not tow a 19 with a vehicle rated for 3500#. Attached is what Escape currently recommends.
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My husband agrees 100% that it would be foolish to tow a 19 with our Toyota Sienna. Not only would it be pushing the limit and potentially dangerous, it makes the insurance null and void. So no, we won't be towing a 19 with our Sienna, but she sure has been a fantastic TV for our 17B.
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03-04-2020, 02:31 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Edmonton, Alberta
Trailer: 1979 Boler B1700
Posts: 14,935
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Quote:
Originally Posted by lorrie
My husband agrees 100% that it would be foolish to tow a 19 with our Toyota Sienna. Not only would it be pushing the limit and potentially dangerous, it makes the insurance null and void.
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Only if the trailer's actual weight (not the GVWR) exceeds the Sienna's ratings... but of course, that's likely without extreme restraint in options and loading.
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03-18-2020, 01:45 PM
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Member
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Salmon Arm, British Columbia
Trailer: 2019 Escape 19
Posts: 42
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19' Weight
My 2019 19' definitely weighs more than 3,500 looks! With water and propane plus other accessories and my own stuff, it's likely to be about 4,000 lbs. Do not tow it with anything less than 4,500 to 5,000 towing capacity please.
Actually, I would love to upgrade to a 6,000 lb limit like a Grand Cherokee or the like
Good luck
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03-24-2020, 02:48 PM
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Junior Member
Join Date: Sep 2018
Location: Chino Hills, California
Trailer: Escape 19
Posts: 13
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I have a Forester with CVT. I wouldn't trust a CVT for towing.
Quote:
Originally Posted by lorrie
Hi there,
We currently have a 17B that we have towed for many years with our Toyota Sienna AWD van with tow capacity of 3500#and have had no issues. We are currently looking to get a 19 but am assuming we would need to change our tow vehicle. We would need a TV that can also be used as a comfortable family hauler. Has anyone towed with a Subaru Ascent and if so how is it? Or does anyone have any other recommendations based on personal experience ie Kia Sorrento? Also, I know the 19 is under 3500 lbs, but I am assuming that the Toyota Sienna won't cut it. Anyone tow a 19 with a vehicle rated for 3500#? Would really appreciate any feedback. Thanks!
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I have a Forester with CVT. I wouldn't trust a CVT for towing.
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03-24-2020, 03:16 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: Whidbey Island, Washington
Trailer: 2020 Escape 17B "Voyager"
Posts: 2,683
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Quote:
Originally Posted by calvinc
I have a Forester with CVT. I wouldn't trust a CVT for towing.
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Based on? The Forester with CVT is rated for 1500 lbs. Ascent for 5000. It's built differently.
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03-24-2020, 04:35 PM
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Junior Member
Join Date: Sep 2018
Location: Chino Hills, California
Trailer: Escape 19
Posts: 13
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Based on the difference in their mechanical operating principles. CVT is a chain and is only as strong as its weakest link. Traditional transmission or manual transmission uses gears which are physically stronger. Not to mention other factors such as cost of repair should something go wrong with the CVT. That's why pick-up trucks designed for heavy towing never comes with a CVT.
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