|
|
07-15-2020, 06:26 PM
|
#1
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2020
Location: Upper Midwest, Minnesota
Trailer: 2020 Escape 19
Posts: 207
|
This is the contradiction...
I’ve been dealing with. Read the fine print on the Towing Selector...then look at my receiver sticker.
|
|
|
07-15-2020, 06:32 PM
|
#2
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2020
Location: Upper Midwest, Minnesota
Trailer: 2020 Escape 19
Posts: 207
|
This is what a regular Class III sticker is like. It’s off some unknown vehicle..but shows the difference.
|
|
|
07-15-2020, 06:35 PM
|
#3
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2020
Location: Venice, Florida
Trailer: 2020 Escape 19
Posts: 1,269
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Voyager
I’ve been dealing with. Read the fine print on the Towing Selector...then look at my receiver sticker.
|
What's your vehicle and what is the contradiction?
|
|
|
07-15-2020, 07:02 PM
|
#4
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2020
Location: Upper Midwest, Minnesota
Trailer: 2020 Escape 19
Posts: 207
|
My vehicle is a 3.5L V6 non turbo AWD 2014 Explorer. The contradiction is the chart indicates you can run a WDH on this vehicle. The sticker doesn’t show any WDH rating. Which indicates it’s not a WDH rated Receiver. It’s the only factory Class III made for this vehicle.
|
|
|
07-15-2020, 07:07 PM
|
#5
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2020
Location: Venice, Florida
Trailer: 2020 Escape 19
Posts: 1,269
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Voyager
My vehicle is a 3.5L V6 non turbo AWD 2014 Explorer. The contradiction is the chart indicates you can run a WDH on this vehicle. The sticker doesn’t show any WDH rating. Which indicates it’s not a WDH rated Receiver. It’s the only factory factory Class III made for this vehicle.
|
The label does say rating will vary and see the owners manual.
|
|
|
07-15-2020, 07:16 PM
|
#6
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2020
Location: Upper Midwest, Minnesota
Trailer: 2020 Escape 19
Posts: 207
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by TTMartin
The label does say rating will vary and see the owners manual.
|
That’s a very good point. And I may just go with that. However, I’ve never seen a sticker like that. As far as I know the sticker always has two ratings. So the chart says see the sticker and the sticker says see the chart 🙃
|
|
|
07-15-2020, 10:11 PM
|
#7
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2020
Location: East of Austin, Texas
Trailer: 2021 Escape 5.0 / 2022 F150 SuperCab
Posts: 2,910
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Voyager
That’s a very good point. And I may just go with that. However, I’ve never seen a sticker like that. As far as I know the sticker always has two ratings. So the chart says see the sticker and the sticker says see the chart ��
|
The sticker on the hitch refers you to the (vehicle-specific) Owner's Manual, not the Ford full-line Towing Guide you've clipped.
Link to 2014 Explorer Owner's Manual rev 3 PDF Download (Ford Site)
The Towing section of the 2014 Explorer Owner's Manual includes specific discussion and recommendation regarding the use of a WDH with reference to certain engine and trailer (hitch) classes for FWD and 4WD Explorers. YMMV but I'd be inclined to go with the latest version of the vehicle-specific Owner's Manual over the Towing Guide.
FWIW I've got a 2005 F150 and a 2019 Ridgeline, both with OE factory installed hitches, neither which have a sticker on the hitch referring to WDH use, both which address suitability for WDH use in the vehicle-specific Owner's Manual. IMO the absence of full detail on the hitch sticker isn't a "contradiction", doesn't present a 'conflict' with the detail in the Owner's Manuals.
|
|
|
07-15-2020, 11:53 PM
|
#8
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Tigard, Oregon
Trailer: 2020 21NE - dual dinettes
Posts: 398
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Centex
YMMV but I'd be inclined to go with the latest version of the vehicle-specific Owner's Manual over the Towing Guide.
IMO the absence of full detail on the hitch sticker isn't a "contradiction", doesn't present a 'conflict' with the detail in the Owner's Manuals.
|
I concur. And neither of the Ford pickups I use for towing (2011 Ranger and 2017 F150) have stickers that mention WDH. Apparently Ford doesn't know what a "regular" Class III sticker is supposed to look like
|
|
|
07-16-2020, 04:26 AM
|
#9
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2020
Location: Upper Midwest, Minnesota
Trailer: 2020 Escape 19
Posts: 207
|
This is from the Manual- For towing trailers up to 3500 pounds (1588 kilograms), use a weight-carrying hitch and ball, which uniformly spreads the trailer tongue loads through your vehicle's underbody structure. For towing trailers over 3500 pounds (1588 kilograms), up to the maximum trailer weight, we recommend you use a weight-distributing hitch to increase front axle load while towing.-
I’m just fine with this. I just don’t like to see the sticker WD area with nothing. It leads me to believe it’s not rated for a WDH. Don’t put one on at all rather than offering up Weight Carrying only info. And as far as I’m concerned the Towing Selector is vehicle specific, it’s a Ford Document. You just have use find your vehicle on the chart is all.
|
|
|
07-16-2020, 11:19 AM
|
#10
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Edmonton, Alberta
Trailer: 1979 Boler B1700
Posts: 14,935
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Voyager
I just don’t like to see the sticker WD area with nothing. It leads me to believe it’s not rated for a WDH. Don’t put one on at all rather than offering up Weight Carrying only info. And as far as I’m concerned the Towing Selector is vehicle specific, it’s a Ford Document. You just have use find your vehicle on the chart is all.
|
Correct - that receiver is not rated for weight distribution use, according to the label. While not common, there certainly are Class III hitch receivers which are not rated for WD.
The towing guides typically provide maximum ratings if suitably equipped; this specific Explorer is apparently not suitably equipped for WD. The guide does give specific option codes for hitches, and says that the table of weight ratings is for those hitches, so either the label and the guide do conflict (either because the label is wrong or the guide is wrong), or that is not actually the hitch which was supposed to come with option code 52T.
|
|
|
07-16-2020, 12:45 PM
|
#11
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2020
Location: Upper Midwest, Minnesota
Trailer: 2020 Escape 19
Posts: 207
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brian B-P
Correct - that receiver is not rated for weight distribution use, according to the label. While not common, there certainly are Class III hitch receivers which are not rated for WD.
The towing guides typically provide maximum ratings if suitably equipped; this specific Explorer is apparently not suitably equipped for WD. The guide does give specific option codes for hitches, and says that the table of weight ratings is for those hitches, so either the label and the guide do conflict (either because the label is wrong or the guide is wrong), or that is not actually the hitch which was supposed to come with option code 52T.
|
Thank you.. came to the same summary as I did. However, I went to see two Explorers, same year model etc. both with 52T packages the same as mine. Both had the same sticker as mine. There is no other factory Class III receiver for this vehicle.
|
|
|
07-16-2020, 12:53 PM
|
#12
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2020
Location: Upper Midwest, Minnesota
Trailer: 2020 Escape 19
Posts: 207
|
...and they would never list the HP rating at 290 Horses and then mention ‘ oh by the way you can get a Supercharger and add 40% more boost in HP. So, I don’t think they are referring to an aftermarket WD Reciever . That would be dumb IMO. In the end...I don’t know what the heck they are saying.
|
|
|
07-16-2020, 01:23 PM
|
#13
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2020
Location: East of Austin, Texas
Trailer: 2021 Escape 5.0 / 2022 F150 SuperCab
Posts: 2,910
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brian B-P
.... that receiver is not rated for weight distribution use, according to the label. ....
|
Just curious, can anyone point me to a requirement regarding the labeling on OE vehicle hitch receivers in the US?
Can anyone show me anything authoritative stating that the absence of any reference to use of a WDH on an OE receiver label (distinct from the presence of a reference with no entry or a 'do not' notation) is evidence positive that OE receiver is not suitable for use with a WDH?
SAE J684 establishes performance and functional criteria for hitch receivers, but apparently does not impose any labelling standard. And of course compliance with an SAE standard is voluntary absent a reference in regulation making it a requirement of DOT or similar.
|
|
|
07-16-2020, 01:27 PM
|
#14
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2020
Location: Venice, Florida
Trailer: 2020 Escape 19
Posts: 1,269
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Centex
Just curious, can anyone point me to a requirement regarding the labeling on OE vehicle hitch receivers in the US?
Can anyone show me anything authoritative stating that the absence of any reference to use of a WDH on an OE receiver label (distinct from the presence of a reference with no entry or a 'do not' notation) is evidence positive that OE receiver is not suitable for use with a WDH?
|
I agree, especially since the label refers back to the manual.
|
|
|
07-16-2020, 01:27 PM
|
#15
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2020
Location: Upper Midwest, Minnesota
Trailer: 2020 Escape 19
Posts: 207
|
If it weren’t a Uni-body vehicle I wouldn’t give rip about any of this. I just don’t want to ruin my vehicle.
|
|
|
07-16-2020, 01:42 PM
|
#16
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2020
Location: East of Austin, Texas
Trailer: 2021 Escape 5.0 / 2022 F150 SuperCab
Posts: 2,910
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Voyager
.... I just don’t want to ruin my vehicle.
|
But unwilling to accept the plain language in your vehicle-specific Owner's Manual as your best source of guidance
|
|
|
07-16-2020, 01:48 PM
|
#17
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2020
Location: Upper Midwest, Minnesota
Trailer: 2020 Escape 19
Posts: 207
|
The Salesman I talked to yesterday at Ford looked at both the towing guide and the label and said ... nice, Ford put disclaimers on both of them.
|
|
|
07-16-2020, 02:05 PM
|
#18
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2020
Location: Venice, Florida
Trailer: 2020 Escape 19
Posts: 1,269
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Voyager
This is from the Manual- For towing trailers up to 3500 pounds (1588 kilograms), use a weight-carrying hitch and ball, which uniformly spreads the trailer tongue loads through your vehicle's underbody structure. For towing trailers over 3500 pounds (1588 kilograms), up to the maximum trailer weight, we recommend you use a weight-distributing hitch to increase front axle load while towing.-
|
How is that ambiguous?
|
|
|
07-16-2020, 02:24 PM
|
#19
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2020
Location: East of Austin, Texas
Trailer: 2021 Escape 5.0 / 2022 F150 SuperCab
Posts: 2,910
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Voyager
The Salesman I talked to yesterday at Ford ......
|
Certainly universally accepted as an unimpeachable expert resource for vehicle information
|
|
|
07-16-2020, 02:32 PM
|
#20
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2020
Location: Upper Midwest, Minnesota
Trailer: 2020 Escape 19
Posts: 207
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Centex
Certainly universally accepted as an unimpeachable expert resource for vehicle information
|
...he said it in jest. And I wasn’t looking to him for any expert opinion. But thanks for helping me understand salesman are exactly that..salesman.
|
|
|
|
|
Posting Rules
|
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is Off
|
|
|
|
» Recent Discussions |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|