Escape 23

[rubicon327]

Originally Posted by brain

Can anyone explain the plywood framing throughout the ceiling area?
Temporary?

My guess is temporary roof support until they get cabinetry and walls in place to help provide some rigidity to the shell.

[7Gentex]

Originally Posted by rubicon327

My guess is temporary roof support until they get cabinetry and walls in place to help provide some rigidity to the shell.

Doubt it is temporary, and it appears to be glassed in, similar to the wood runners / framing in other models before they put in wiring, insulation, plywood and then headliner on the ceiling.

[7Gentex]

The 23 Twin layout (like the bath/shower arrangement better than the ) with a full size queen in a East/West layout in the front - should leave around 15" to 20" on each side between bed and bath areas for some more floor to ceiling storage...............


I realize that the "walk around" was a key............but..........?

[Rockhead]

The supports are there for ETI to be able to secure the walls to the floor and ceiling for the bathroom and shower areas. This gonna be a heavy Escape

[rbryan4]

Originally Posted by rubicon327

My guess is temporary roof support until they get cabinetry and walls in place to help provide some rigidity to the shell.

I'm guessing it's structural. That's a much longer span of fiberglass to be supported only by itself, and it's wider as well. To have 6'5" clearance even with the supports would also mean the shell is considerably taller.

[Ron in BC]

Originally Posted by brain

Can anyone explain the plywood framing throughout the ceiling area?
Temporary?

While it's not unusual to scab in temporary supports at this stage or tab in wood that items like cabinets can be fastened to that's not what the overhead wood you see in the video is for.

Key word in the video is "wider". You have to make choices when you increase the span of the roof. Go to a much heavier glass layup, maybe including a cored one or glass in additional support which is the way ETI has chosen to go. The plus side will be the ability to put much more insulation in the roof area.

Ron

[rbryan4]

Originally Posted by Ron in BC

The plus side will be the ability to put much more insulation in the roof area.

Thought about that Ron. And maybe (dare I say) it could be thick enough to run the AC 'ducted'? Maybe there's not enough space but ducted is far quieter.

[oldwave]

In the much heavier Bigfoot trailer there is some sort of proprietary honeycomb reinforcement. I have not been able to see a picture of it. I’ll be interested in the 23 price point

[sofmerc]

I wouldn't worry about structural issues... Engineers can predict the loads and stresses on the shell and have a plan for it.. GRP strengths and weaknesses are very well known...

[Ron in BC]

Originally Posted by rbryan4

Thought about that Ron. And maybe (dare I say) it could be thick enough to run the AC 'ducted'? Maybe there's not enough space but ducted is far quieter.

I wouldn't get your hopes up. Transverse framing makes running longitudinal ducts very difficult. But it sure gives a good cavity to pack with insulation.

Originally Posted by sofmerc

I wouldn't worry about structural issues... Engineers can predict the loads and stresses on the shell and have a plan for it.. GRP strengths and weaknesses are very well known...

Now yes they can but when f.g. first came into common use in the 50s there was the feeling that if it flexed it wasn't strong enough. An old friend of my dad's was an early adopter of using f.g. for boat building. Maybe that's why I ended up years later buying f.g. by the 45 gal. drum to build my own boat. Because the belief at the time that any flexing at all meant the layup was too thin when he built an 8' dingy let's just say the term bullet proof came to mine. When I was a teenager I borrowed it and two of us could barely lift it.

"Honeycomb" in the Bigfoot may refer to the core material. It can range from plywood to balsa to composite honeycomb.

Ron

[Defenestrator]

Originally Posted by Ron in BC

I wouldn't get your hopes up. Transverse framing makes running longitudinal ducts very difficult. But it sure gives a good cavity to pack with insulation.



Now yes they can but when f.g. first came into common use in the 50s there was the feeling that if it flexed it wasn't strong enough. An old friend of my dad's was an early adopter of using f.g. for boat building. Maybe that's why I ended up years later buying f.g. by the 45 gal. drum to build my own boat. Because the belief at the time that any flexing at all meant the layup was too thin when he built an 8' dingy let's just say the term bullet proof came to mine. When I was a teenager I borrowed it and two of us could barely lift it.

"Honeycomb" in the Bigfoot may refer to the core material. It can range from plywood to balsa to composite honeycomb.

Ron

I think only the 3000-series Bigfoots used honeycomb core material. The current ones are just wood-reinforced chopped strand mat like everything else. Oliver does use some honeycomb core in the floor and maybe other places.

[cpaharley2008]

You definitely will need a truck to tow a 23' model, it looks so big.......

[Brian B-P]

Originally Posted by Defenestrator

I think only the 3000-series Bigfoots used honeycomb core material.

I don't think there was any honeycomb core in the 3000 and 4000 series Bigfoot construction. They used polystyrene foam core and flat (not moulded) composite panels.

[Jane P.]

Originally Posted by cpaharley2008

You definitely will need a truck to tow a 23' model, it looks so big.......

An understatement! That thing is huge! A McMansion on wheels.

If I were you, I’d keep your shiny new 19’ away from that trailer. It may just gobble up your cute little, lightweight babe..

[Jane P.]

I must admit that i’ve been looking forward to the Escape 23. Particularly the promise of a walk around bed or two, comfortable double beds.

I really can’t wait to see the finished product. Hopefully, it will be something people can keep in their driveways. But I am skeptical that can be achieved, particularly if the tongue needs to be elongated to accommodate a storage box.

I know that Escape has raised their prices the last couple of years, and i’d be interested in learning how affordable this new trailer will end up.

[MrLynn]

Has anyone seen some internal dimensions? How wide will the twin beds be? How much larger will the dinette be? Karl said "L-shaped"—like the Bigfoot 25?

[camp4528]

Originally Posted by MrLynn

Has anyone seen some internal dimensions? How wide will the twin beds be? How much larger will the dinette be? Karl said "L-shaped"—like the Bigfoot 25?

There’s some preliminary internal dimensions on the E23 page. https://escapetrailer.com/the-23-escape/

For example if the inside is 7’9” a 60” queen would leave about 16” on each side of the bed. Two standard 38” twins would leave 15” in the aisle. That might be a bit narrow for the rendition - perhaps 30” twins leaving 33” in the middle?

Just eyeballing, the dinette look like 7’9” by maybe 6’?

[rubicon327]

Escape hasn't been able to make the dry bath layout work in the E23. The prototype has the wet bath from a 21C. I'm sure this will appeal to those looking for a more open layout but disappoint those that were specifically wanting the dry bath
See video at 16:00

January 2023 Q&A - Escape Trailer - YouTube

[NEWYORKHILLBILLY]

That's good news in my option. of course the whole reason they built the 23 was for a dry bath. I guess some people prefer dry bath. It does Suprise me they dint realize it would not fit until after they build the trailer.

[brroberts]

It amazes me with the number of 7 to 7 1/2 foot wide 17 to 21 foot trailers on the market with dry baths, that ETI can’t do it. There are 23 footers with a non crawl over bed and dry bath. I would think they could figure it out. I’m sure those floor plans are cramped, but these are small trailers.