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Old 05-13-2022, 02:57 PM   #181
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Can anyone explain the plywood framing throughout the ceiling area?
Temporary?
My guess is temporary roof support until they get cabinetry and walls in place to help provide some rigidity to the shell.
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Old 05-13-2022, 04:53 PM   #182
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My guess is temporary roof support until they get cabinetry and walls in place to help provide some rigidity to the shell.
Doubt it is temporary, and it appears to be glassed in, similar to the wood runners / framing in other models before they put in wiring, insulation, plywood and then headliner on the ceiling.

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Old 05-13-2022, 04:59 PM   #183
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23 wishes...........

The 23 Twin layout (like the bath/shower arrangement better than the ) with a full size queen in a East/West layout in the front - should leave around 15" to 20" on each side between bed and bath areas for some more floor to ceiling storage...............


I realize that the "walk around" was a key............but..........?
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Old 05-13-2022, 05:39 PM   #184
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The supports are there for ETI to be able to secure the walls to the floor and ceiling for the bathroom and shower areas. This gonna be a heavy Escape
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Old 05-13-2022, 06:41 PM   #185
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My guess is temporary roof support until they get cabinetry and walls in place to help provide some rigidity to the shell.
I'm guessing it's structural. That's a much longer span of fiberglass to be supported only by itself, and it's wider as well. To have 6'5" clearance even with the supports would also mean the shell is considerably taller.
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Old 05-13-2022, 06:42 PM   #186
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Can anyone explain the plywood framing throughout the ceiling area?
Temporary?
While it's not unusual to scab in temporary supports at this stage or tab in wood that items like cabinets can be fastened to that's not what the overhead wood you see in the video is for.

Key word in the video is "wider". You have to make choices when you increase the span of the roof. Go to a much heavier glass layup, maybe including a cored one or glass in additional support which is the way ETI has chosen to go. The plus side will be the ability to put much more insulation in the roof area.

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Old 05-13-2022, 06:45 PM   #187
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The plus side will be the ability to put much more insulation in the roof area.
Thought about that Ron. And maybe (dare I say) it could be thick enough to run the AC 'ducted'? Maybe there's not enough space but ducted is far quieter.
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Old 05-13-2022, 09:01 PM   #188
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In the much heavier Bigfoot trailer there is some sort of proprietary honeycomb reinforcement. I have not been able to see a picture of it. I’ll be interested in the 23 price point
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Old 05-13-2022, 09:05 PM   #189
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I wouldn't worry about structural issues... Engineers can predict the loads and stresses on the shell and have a plan for it.. GRP strengths and weaknesses are very well known...
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Old 05-13-2022, 10:25 PM   #190
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Thought about that Ron. And maybe (dare I say) it could be thick enough to run the AC 'ducted'? Maybe there's not enough space but ducted is far quieter.
I wouldn't get your hopes up. Transverse framing makes running longitudinal ducts very difficult. But it sure gives a good cavity to pack with insulation.

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I wouldn't worry about structural issues... Engineers can predict the loads and stresses on the shell and have a plan for it.. GRP strengths and weaknesses are very well known...
Now yes they can but when f.g. first came into common use in the 50s there was the feeling that if it flexed it wasn't strong enough. An old friend of my dad's was an early adopter of using f.g. for boat building. Maybe that's why I ended up years later buying f.g. by the 45 gal. drum to build my own boat. Because the belief at the time that any flexing at all meant the layup was too thin when he built an 8' dingy let's just say the term bullet proof came to mine. When I was a teenager I borrowed it and two of us could barely lift it.

"Honeycomb" in the Bigfoot may refer to the core material. It can range from plywood to balsa to composite honeycomb.

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Old 05-14-2022, 01:26 AM   #191
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I wouldn't get your hopes up. Transverse framing makes running longitudinal ducts very difficult. But it sure gives a good cavity to pack with insulation.



Now yes they can but when f.g. first came into common use in the 50s there was the feeling that if it flexed it wasn't strong enough. An old friend of my dad's was an early adopter of using f.g. for boat building. Maybe that's why I ended up years later buying f.g. by the 45 gal. drum to build my own boat. Because the belief at the time that any flexing at all meant the layup was too thin when he built an 8' dingy let's just say the term bullet proof came to mine. When I was a teenager I borrowed it and two of us could barely lift it.

"Honeycomb" in the Bigfoot may refer to the core material. It can range from plywood to balsa to composite honeycomb.

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I think only the 3000-series Bigfoots used honeycomb core material. The current ones are just wood-reinforced chopped strand mat like everything else. Oliver does use some honeycomb core in the floor and maybe other places.
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You definitely will need a truck to tow a 23' model, it looks so big.......
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Old 05-14-2022, 01:29 PM   #193
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I think only the 3000-series Bigfoots used honeycomb core material.
I don't think there was any honeycomb core in the 3000 and 4000 series Bigfoot construction. They used polystyrene foam core and flat (not moulded) composite panels.
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Old 05-14-2022, 06:20 PM   #194
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You definitely will need a truck to tow a 23' model, it looks so big.......
An understatement! That thing is huge! A McMansion on wheels.

If I were you, I’d keep your shiny new 19’ away from that trailer. It may just gobble up your cute little, lightweight babe..

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Old 05-14-2022, 06:30 PM   #195
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I must admit that i’ve been looking forward to the Escape 23. Particularly the promise of a walk around bed or two, comfortable double beds.

I really can’t wait to see the finished product. Hopefully, it will be something people can keep in their driveways. But I am skeptical that can be achieved, particularly if the tongue needs to be elongated to accommodate a storage box.

I know that Escape has raised their prices the last couple of years, and i’d be interested in learning how affordable this new trailer will end up.
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Old 05-15-2022, 05:46 AM   #196
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Has anyone seen some internal dimensions? How wide will the twin beds be? How much larger will the dinette be? Karl said "L-shaped"—like the Bigfoot 25?
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Old 05-15-2022, 11:25 AM   #197
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Has anyone seen some internal dimensions? How wide will the twin beds be? How much larger will the dinette be? Karl said "L-shaped"—like the Bigfoot 25?
There’s some preliminary internal dimensions on the E23 page. https://escapetrailer.com/the-23-escape/

For example if the inside is 7’9” a 60” queen would leave about 16” on each side of the bed. Two standard 38” twins would leave 15” in the aisle. That might be a bit narrow for the rendition - perhaps 30” twins leaving 33” in the middle?

Just eyeballing, the dinette look like 7’9” by maybe 6’?
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