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Old 08-24-2023, 10:20 PM   #81
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Which is?
They’re calling the initial iteration of the E23 the “First Edition.” Interior décor customization is available, but the options are set. From ETI’s website (you might want to peruse it for yourself ) :

Off Grid Power
Two Lithium Ion Batteries (100Ah each) with the option to add two additional batteries
Two 200W Solar Panels
Solar Port wired to Charge Controller
Victron Energy Power Package: 3000W Mutliplus Inverter Charger with remote switch, 100/30 Smart Solar MPPT Controller, Smart Shunt Battery Monitor, Touchscreen Display, DC to DC Smart Charger

Comfort
Air Conditioner/Heat Pump (Houghton)
Electrical Management System with Surge Protector
Wireless Back-Up Camera (display monitor wired with 12V plug)
Stereo with Four Speakers (Bluetooth/FM/AM/CD/DVD/USB)
Table style (large 5 corner standard, smaller optional round table)

Kitchen
ENO 3-Burner Cooktop
Elkay Quartz Luxe Sink (Parchment or Caviar)
Microwave or Convection Microwave to be selected by Escape
Norcold 6.2 cuft Compressor Fridge

Exterior
Lippert Solid Step (Double Entry Step)
Aluminum Rim Package (Includes 5 tires and rims)
Power Awning
Power Tongue Jack
Storage Box (Front of Trailer)
Number Pad Door Lock (includes key)
Windows
Acrylic Windows
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Old 08-25-2023, 07:34 AM   #82
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They’re calling the initial iteration of the E23 the “First Edition.” Interior décor customization is available, but the options are set. From ETI’s website (you might want to peruse it for yourself ) :

Off Grid Power
Two Lithium Ion Batteries (100Ah each) with the option to add two additional batteries
Two 200W Solar Panels
Solar Port wired to Charge Controller
Victron Energy Power Package: 3000W Mutliplus Inverter Charger with remote switch, 100/30 Smart Solar MPPT Controller, Smart Shunt Battery Monitor, Touchscreen Display, DC to DC Smart Charger

Comfort
Air Conditioner/Heat Pump (Houghton)
Electrical Management System with Surge Protector
Wireless Back-Up Camera (display monitor wired with 12V plug)
Stereo with Four Speakers (Bluetooth/FM/AM/CD/DVD/USB)
Table style (large 5 corner standard, smaller optional round table)

Kitchen
ENO 3-Burner Cooktop
Elkay Quartz Luxe Sink (Parchment or Caviar)
Microwave or Convection Microwave to be selected by Escape
Norcold 6.2 cuft Compressor Fridge

Exterior
Lippert Solid Step (Double Entry Step)
Aluminum Rim Package (Includes 5 tires and rims)
Power Awning
Power Tongue Jack
Storage Box (Front of Trailer)
Number Pad Door Lock (includes key)
Windows
Acrylic Windows
Nicely equipped. The only issue I see is the Victron Multiplus 3000 requires more continuous capacity if the Lithium Batteries are 100 amp bms, I have two batteries and 2000 VA version. The 3000 va (2400 watts) needs at least three (according to current connected). Other than that it looks like a nice trailer.
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Old 08-25-2023, 09:25 AM   #83
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Which is?
From Escape's web page:
  • Two Lithium Ion Batteries (100Ah each)
  • Two 200W Solar Panels
  • Solar Port wired to Charge Controller
  • Victron Energy Power Package: 3000W Mutliplus Inverter Charger with remote switch,
  • 100/30 Smart Solar MPPT Controller
  • Victron Smart Shunt Battery Monitor
  • Victron Touchscreen Display
  • Victron DC to DC Smart Charger
  • Air Conditioner/Heat Pump (Houghton)
  • Electrical Management System with Surge Protector
  • Wireless Back-Up Camera (display monitor wired with 12V plug)
  • Stereo with Four Speakers
  • Elkay Quartz Luxe Sink (Parchment or Caviar)
  • Microwave or Convection Microwave to be selected by Escape
  • Norcold 6.2 cu ft Compressor Fridge
  • Lippert Solid Step (Double Entry Step)
  • Aluminum Rim Package (Includes 5 tires and rims)
  • Number Pad Door Lock
  • Acrylic Windows

That's quite a list of options that are not included in the Bigfoot's base price. There are Bigfoots out there over $100,000 because they have similar added options.

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Old 08-25-2023, 07:55 PM   #84
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From ETI’s website (you might want to peruse it for yourself
I did, I asked because I’m not seeing the upgrades that are worth that much, not saying they’re not there.

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Two Lithium Ion Batteries (100Ah each)
Two 200W Solar Panels
Victron Energy Power Package: 3000W Mutliplus Inverter Charger with remote switch,
100/30 Smart Solar MPPT Controller
Victron Smart Shunt Battery Monitor
Victron Touchscreen Display
Victron DC to DC Smart Charger
Right this is what it looks like to me, a fancy electrical system upgrade, the rest of the options below look pretty run of the mill - the Houghton ($1.2k?), back up camera $200), a fridge and such.

OK without individually pricing out each component, here’s what looks like a Victron 3k kit for about $3k. The batteries are about another $2k, add in another $1k for touchscreen and whatnot gives about $5k system, round up by another couple thousand if you like. Back of the envelope, not saying this is a perfect comparison.

Anyhow maybe they’ll come out with the standard edition in the low 50’s.

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Air Conditioner/Heat Pump (Houghton)
Electrical Management System with Surge Protector
Wireless Back-Up Camera (display monitor wired with 12V plug)
Stereo with Four Speakers
Elkay Quartz Luxe Sink (Parchment or Caviar)
Microwave or Convection Microwave to be selected by Escape
Norcold 6.2 cu ft Compressor Fridge
Lippert Solid Step (Double Entry Step)
Aluminum Rim Package (Includes 5 tires and rims)
Number Pad Door Lock
Acrylic Windows
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Old 08-25-2023, 09:39 PM   #85
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There has to be some bonus program on the purchase of a Bigfoot.
The more carrying on about Escape vs Bigfoot on here you get what, a choice of free options to choose from…
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Old 08-25-2023, 09:48 PM   #86
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I did, I asked because I’m not seeing the upgrades that are worth that much, not saying they’re not there.
Really? They may not be worth that much to you, but for many here they are. We added over $6,000 in extras to our 5.0 after the initial purchase and that's not counting my labor costs. There are others here who have added much more

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Right this is what it looks like to me, a fancy electrical system upgrade, the rest of the options below look pretty run of the mill - the Houghton ($1.2k?), back up camera $200), a fridge and such.
Yes, it is a "fancy electrical system upgrade." If they were "run of the mill" they wouldn't be options. Many of us camp without services, so what you consider "fancy" is run of the mill for us.

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OK without individually pricing out each component, here’s what looks like a Victron 3k kit for about $3k. The batteries are about another $2k, add in another $1k for touchscreen and whatnot gives about $5k system, round up by another couple thousand if you like. Back of the envelope, not saying this is a perfect comparison.
And don't forget install of the items. AM Solar wanted $2,727 for three 200 watt panels, a Victron 100/30 solar controller and a Victron BMV-712 shunt plus other needed parts, BUT they also wanted $2,030 for installing those items.

This electrical system is WAY beyond what I priced out with AM Solar. I had similar pricing from a solar installer in 2021 when I added three 100 watt panels to the roof of our 5.0. Unless you've already installed solar and other electricals in a camper you may think that price is too high, but it's what the market demands for an installer to remain in business.

Food for thought,

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Old 09-03-2023, 07:16 PM   #87
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There has to be some bonus program on the purchase of a Bigfoot.
The more carrying on about Escape vs Bigfoot on here you get what, a choice of free options to choose from…
Sorry for carrying on a discussion as a person debating which to get, is this a forum only for present and not future owners? Not for non owners in your book, got it, friendly …

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Really? They may not be worth that much to you
I meant ‘worth’ in the dollar sense, it doesn’t seem to add up by my back of the envelope but its not worth beating the horse

In the intro video Karl quickly and unintelligibly says something about the aluminum chassis, I think he said it allows them to make it four season without spray foam (debatable with single paned windows but anyhow). This was at the beginning, anybody catch it or know what he means?
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Old 09-03-2023, 07:23 PM   #88
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I think he said it allows them to make it four season without spray foam (debatable with single paned windows but anyhow). This was at the beginning, anybody catch it or know what he means?
Aren’t the acrylic windows double pane? All the ones I’ve researched are.
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Old 09-03-2023, 08:28 PM   #89
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Sorry for carrying on a discussion as a person debating which to get, is this a forum only for present and not future owners? Not for non owners in your book, got it, friendly …



I meant ‘worth’ in the dollar sense, it doesn’t seem to add up by my back of the envelope but its not worth beating the horse

In the intro video Karl quickly and unintelligibly says something about the aluminum chassis, I think he said it allows them to make it four season without spray foam (debatable with single paned windows but anyhow). This was at the beginning, anybody catch it or know what he means?
You’re only on here to put down Escapes, either you get some form of compensation-or maybe you could actually go buy something. You never know, actually owning and taking trips in an RV might help you, in more ways than you could imagine.
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Old 09-04-2023, 06:57 AM   #90
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I didn't notice the acrylic windows. Anyone have any experience with acrylic windows in an RV? In the non-RV applications I've seen, acrylic windows scratch very easily, and often have issues with yellowing. Maybe the RV ones are better?
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Old 09-04-2023, 07:35 AM   #91
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We had them on our previous trailer and they were nice. The only drawback was having to open the window and then close the screen or open screen and close window. We would go in at night and close up before turning on a light. Then we would turn on the bath light to attract bugs. That rounded them up before going to bed. Most places aren’t that buggy, but some really required this process. The windows let in lots of air even in the rain. They held up fine for trips of 12 weeks. The floor design was failing, I thought I was going to have to pick it up and stiffen it, but a storm destroyed the trailer, and many others’ also. So we finally bought the Escape.
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Old 09-04-2023, 09:17 AM   #92
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Acrylic windows have been used on European RVs for a long time. They are now appearing on most big name US manufacturers. Non UV treated acrylic can yellow.
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Old 09-04-2023, 09:46 AM   #93
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For anyone under the impression that the E23 First Edition is over priced, try pricing a new 21C.

I did and for comparable options for our ‘22 that cost $50,000 less than 2 years ago, the price came out at $62,400.
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E23 question - not value / pricing related

Anybody know where the black tank is on the new E23? As in above, or below, the floor level.

Appears they are using the same elevated toilet base / shower shell / low rise toilet as the other models. Looks as if it may be "above floor", as all other Escapes, and runs back under the cabinets toward the fridge, but with a 40 gal. (U.S.) capacity, I'm thinking maybe not as the wheel wells appear to be in that general area.

I was hoping black and gray tanks were going to be "under" the floor, but the toilet setup threw me a curve for the black.

Same question for gray and fresh if you know..........
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Anybody know where the black tank is on the new E23? As in above, or below, the floor level.

Appears they are using the same elevated toilet base / shower shell / low rise toilet as the other models. Looks as if it may be "above floor", as all other Escapes, and runs back under the cabinets toward the fridge, but with a 40 gal. (U.S.) capacity, I'm thinking maybe not as the wheel wells appear to be in that general area.

I was hoping black and gray tanks were going to be "under" the floor, but the toilet setup threw me a curve for the black.

Same question for gray and fresh if you know..........
Well, the black tank on the 21C is under the bed. ETI told me that the entire under bed area for the queen bed is available for storage, so It sounds like it is somewhere else.
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You’re only on here to put down Escapes blah blah blah.
Oh seriously don’t be a forum nanny, I’m debating between E23 and BF, some days thinking Escape others BF, today happens to be an Escape leaning day. /peace

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What’s the advantage of acrylic? If they offered double paned I’d go for it.

I’m pretty sure he says “the advantage with this new chassis is we can go four season without having to use spray foam underneath”. I would guess that means they can build in insulation into the chassis cross frames which is pretty cool, I’m not fond of spray foam.
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They do offer some double pane.
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They do offer some double pane.
You sure? I see double glazed but not double paned on the 23, 21 and 19. But they’re pretty flexible maybe they’d do it, prob not though as they’d want some design test with that kind of change probably

Oh duh, I guess double glazed is another way of saying double paned? But the frameless are surely single paned? /cornfused

Edit; I watched the video about acrylic, basically they’re safer
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Edit; I watched the video about acrylic, basically they’re safer
Safer? How? When was the last time you were injured by a window in your sticks 'n bricks or any RV?
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