New molds?

[stephen99]

So if the floor is raised does that mean the default table supports also change? If not the table will be higher than before.

[Steven M]

Originally Posted by reace

Hello everyone

The raised floor in the 21' and 5.0 TA were last minute changes. As we were focused on the 17' and 19' mold changes first, and they already had the raised floor.

A few years ago when we built the 21' and 5.0TA molds with the flat floor, it made sense. Unfortunately there were unforeseen production complications with this change that we have been dealing with for a couple of years now. This, along with the fact that we have had numerous complaints that the dinette seats are too high.

Just for clarity, it is only the seat area that the floor is being raised.

I apologize for this last minute change. The office will work with any customer who would like to cancel their 2017 order due to this change.

Regards,

Reace

Actually as a person of shorter stature (5' 7.5") and my wife, who is shorter, the raised seating area should make it more comfortable. But as a consummate klutz I will have to watch my step getting into and out of the dinette area.

All in all I still think that the new design is good looking and am feverishly working on my build sheet. Time can't seem to move fast enough, while at the same time I wish it would slow down.

Peace and safe journeys,
Steven M

[Jim Bennett]

Originally Posted by stephen99

So if the floor is raised does that mean the default table supports also change? If not the table will be higher than before.

I am not certain, maybe someone could measure, but I would bet the table was at a normal height before, just the seat raised, resulting it the table seeming low. The only way this would not be the case, is if the table legs were longer than normal, and I don't know if that is even available. Now with the floor being elevated, the table will raise to a proper height above the seats.

Standard table and corresponding seat heights are;
Table 30" - 18" chair
Counter 36" - 24" stool
Raised bar 42" - 30" stool

[Jim Bennett]

Originally Posted by Steven M

Actually as a person of shorter stature (5' 7.5") and my wife, who is shorter, the raised seating area should make it more comfortable. But as a consummate klutz I will have to watch my step getting into and out of the dinette area.

Steven, the issue most shorter people have with the higher seats, is that their legs dangle, as their feet to not reach the floor. For extended periods this can cause discomfort in the legs. The only way to combat this is to sit at the front edge of the seat.

[Steven M]

Originally Posted by Jim Bennett

Steven, the issue most shorter people have with the higher seats, is that their legs dangle, as their feet to not reach the floor. For extended periods this can cause discomfort in the legs. The only way to combat this is to sit at the front edge of the seat.

Jim, Pretty much what I was implying for myself and others. I simply have a higher quotient for stumbling around then most.

[Donna D.]

Originally Posted by thoer

(I can't find a emojie that signifies my cheerleader or cult status.....)

I'll loan you mine

[Jim Bennett]

Originally Posted by Steven M

Jim, Pretty much what I was implying for myself and others. I simply have a higher quotient for stumbling around then most.

Ah, gotcha! I misread things. Better to stumble into a soft seat, than out by the campfire though.

[Jimrules]

Originally Posted by thoer

Once again Reace, Tammy and ETI step up and do the right thing for customers.

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Here's another option.

[Jim Bennett]

Originally Posted by Jimrules

Here's another option. Attachment 16135

I think you just nailed it with Eric wearing his favourite coloured dress.

[thoer]

Originally Posted by Jim Bennett

I think you just nailed it with Eric wearing his favourite coloured dress.

Hey, how did you know that?

[gocamp]

Another one here with Donna

[KarenH]

Originally Posted by Rosalyn

Not rethink the trailer, because we loved that. Just rethink how I will setup my work station.
Ros

Atta girl...now that's a positive can-do attitude! Love it...

[Iowa Dave]

Originally Posted by Jim Bennett

Steven, the issue most shorter people have with the higher seats, is that their legs dangle, as their feet to not reach the floor. For extended periods this can cause discomfort in the legs. The only way to combat this is to sit at the front edge of the seat.

I have short legs and setting on bar stools used to be uncomfortable till I learned if I drink fast enough my body goes numb at the same time as my legs. Then when I catch myself falling off the stool,(hopefully), I stagger to a booth and take a little nappy.
It's a lot less embarrassing than hitting the floor with a glass rattling thud.
Dave

[Brian B-P]

The freshwater tank has always been under the floor in the part of the trailer which has a stepped-up section of frame, so it seems unlikely the raising the floor there would be related to change in tank location. On the other hand, I recall a mention of larger tank sizes, and I suppose the raised section might be related to fitting a taller (and thus larger-capacity) freshwater tank. On the other hand, the wider frame rail spacing (due to the body not tapering inward toward the bottom any more) adds more space for tanks anyway.

The 19' is a special case: the dinette is in the front, and the front of the Escape floor has never been stepped up. My guess is that this talk about "all" dinettes have a raised floor is really only about all rear dinettes (and the floor under the bed in a normal 19').

Originally Posted by freespirit

again correct me if wrong but the 2016 Escape 21 frame did not have raised rear frame as floor was flat in dinette area in the rear of 21.

The original Escape design was the 17'. Like the Trillums and Surfsides from which it was derived, the frame stepped up at the rear (providing better bumper-to-ground clearance with a low main floor), and the floor follows the frame. The step is 3 inches because the step in the frame is formed by welding a 1.5"x3" box tube for the rear part of the frame rail on top of the front part of the frame rail - 3" is simply the height of the rear frame rail.

I was surprised when the 21' appeared without a step up in the (rear) dinette floor, because the frame of that model - and all Escape models ever built as far as I know - continues to have the stepped-up frame. It turns out that the moulded floor sits on top of the frame for the portion of the trailer forward of the step, and is set down between the frame rails in the back - you can see this if you open a 21' or 5.0TA dinette seat, and see that the floor under the seat is higher than in the foot room between the seats.

[freespirit]

thanks Brian for the info..I learn something new everyday and that's always a good thing!