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Old 01-08-2018, 03:45 PM   #21
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Here's a pic of the 2 long Umbra hooks we mounted on the bath door and adjoining wall. We mounted them with VHB tape, no screws. The tape runs the full length and width of the the rail. They have successfully held up in both our 19' and 17', never tearing the wood-grain paper despite heavy coats, wet towels, bags, etc.

Altogether, we mounted 5 Umbra hook rails in the 19' [sold last September] and will do the same in our new 19' anticipated on 3/23/18.
I did the same in my 17, back before Escape mounted them for you, if fact, I may be the discoverer of the steel wire used as the hinge (well, my power miter box saw discovered it to the cost of a new blade). I did also use screws, but when a couple of them were obviously into just 1/8" plywood, I added the tape. They were still there 6 years later when I sold the trailer.
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Old 01-08-2018, 05:46 PM   #22
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Umbra in a 5.0

We did not have Escape install anything at orientation, so it's up to me to put them in. Now I have to ask, what is VHB tape and where do you get it?
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... if fact, I may be the discoverer of the steel wire used as the hinge (well, my power miter box saw discovered it to the cost of a new blade).
I know your post was what saved my radial arm saw's blade! Thanks again Jon!

And the original poster to turn us all on to the Umbra hooks was medora from Michigan. - thanks E
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Old 01-09-2018, 09:28 AM   #24
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We did not have Escape install anything at orientation, so it's up to me to put them in. Now I have to ask, what is VHB tape and where do you get it?
This is VHB tape by 3m. https://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/company-...3242417&rt=rud
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We did not have Escape install anything at orientation, so it's up to me to put them in. Now I have to ask, what is VHB tape and where do you get it?
VHB stands for very high bond. This link may be easier to order shorter lengths. You get one shot with this stuff. Make sure you know exactly where you want it before you give it any type of pressure.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00HLY78QW/ref=biss_dp_t_asn
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Old 01-09-2018, 10:07 AM   #26
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... Make sure you know exactly where you want it before you give it any type of pressure.
And that you never plan on removing it.

For the Umbra I put on our 17B, I was able to trim it so that I hit studs. Rather than the VHB, I would try one of the expanding plastic drywall anchors to use at least the strength of the plywood itself. The VHB is still going to rely on the strength of attachment of the vinyl covering to the plywood. Something like this has proved very strong for me on drywall applications.
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I can vouch that the panels inside are very thin and should not be used for any heavy hanging, the paper covering can come off, and finding the support studs is critical for a sturdy attachment.
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Old 02-08-2018, 05:07 PM   #28
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I just received an email from ETI saying they'd install up to 3 Umbra hooks for $25 at our orientation. Whew, that's great since we already signed off our 21's build sheet. Now I need to tell them where we want them to be sure there's sufficient backing for them.

Where do the 21-footer people like their Umbra hooks? How big ?
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Old 02-08-2018, 05:20 PM   #29
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i did not reinforce my walls for any of my Umbra hooks i don't think you need to they are very secure. Unless your putting very heavy things on them?
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Besides, if ETI is installing it's their problem to put it where you want.
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I just received an email from ETI saying they'd install up to 3 Umbra hooks for $25 at our orientation. Whew, that's great since we already signed off our 21's build sheet. Now I need to tell them where we want them to be sure there's sufficient backing for them.

Where do the 21-footer people like their Umbra hooks? How big ?
ETI knows where all the framing is and will only put the Umbra hooks where they know they will stay. Mine are on the upper cabinet wall as you enter the trailer, the upper cabinet wall passenger side by the dinette and the wall between the bathroom and the bed. This wall is fully reinforced. They also installed a 3 hook key chain storage bin from Umbra on the lower drawer stack by the bed. At the moment I don't remember the counts for the hooks but I did mention it on another post in this thread or maybe another. Hope this helps.
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ETI knows where all the framing is and will only put the Umbra hooks where they know they will stay. Mine are on the upper cabinet wall as you enter the trailer, the upper cabinet wall passenger side by the dinette and the wall between the bathroom and the bed. This wall is fully reinforced. They also installed a 3 hook key chain storage bin from Umbra on the lower drawer stack by the bed. At the moment I don't remember the counts for the hooks but I did mention it on another post in this thread or maybe another. Hope this helps.

Awesome! Thanks. They were interested in where I wanted them, so I think they want to be sure there is something behind the wall to attach them to, like they might add it if needed. At least that's my feeling. I did send them exactly what and where. They're very nice.

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At the moment I don't remember the counts for the hooks but I did mention it on another post in this thread or maybe another.
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Escape wouldn't install the 5 hook Umbra unit on the refrigerator wall, but did put it on the bathroom wall. They cut the remaining 5 hook Umbra into 3 & 2, the 2 on the door end of the kitchen & the 3 on the refrigerator wall.

I'm not sure why they wouldn't do it; I switched the 3 & 5 hook units with no problem.
Hi Jon, I want to ask ETI to put the 5 hook units on the bathroom wall the same way you later switched over yourself. My question to you is did the smoke alarm get in the way when you did the switch and you had to relocate it to make room for the hooks or it wasn't in the way? Thanks.
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Hi Jon, I want to ask ETI to put the 5 hook units on the bathroom wall the same way you later switched over yourself. My question to you is did the smoke alarm get in the way when you did the switch and you had to relocate it to make room for the hooks or it wasn't in the way? Thanks.
Escape mounted the 5 hook Umbra forward & below the smoke detector. When I made the switch, I put the 3 hook version in about the same place. Since I have a bathroom wall folding shelf, I only hang short things on the 3 hook Umbra - hats, etc.Anything long would land on the shelf.
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Escape mounted the 5 hook Umbra forward & below the smoke detector. When I made the switch, I put the 3 hook version in about the same place. Since I have a bathroom wall folding shelf, I only hang short things on the 3 hook Umbra - hats, etc.Anything long would land on the shelf.
Sorry, I didn't know how I managed to read your original post wrong but I got it the other way round. Anyway it's good to know that the 5 hook unit can be mounted on the bathroom wall and ETI will do it.
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The framing of the common bath/bed wall in a 21'. ETI provided it so I could hang hooks should I decide to do so. The angle to the top is the rear wall. They just took the photo from the wrong side.

Stand your laptop on end and the picture looks correct.

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Hi Ed, you mean the frame should look like this looking from the bedroom side toward the bathroom side and the red circled piece is the spot to hang hooks, right?
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Hi Ed, you mean the frame should look like this looking from the bedroom side toward the bathroom side and the red circled piece is the spot to hang hooks, right?

Thank you.
Now I no longer have to view it backwards and reversed.

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