Escape 19 going to the Last Best Place - Escape Trailer Owners Community
Journey with Confidence RV GPS App RV Trip Planner RV LIFE Campground Reviews RV Maintenance Take a Speed Test Free 7 Day Trial ×

Go Back   Escape Trailer Owners Community > Escape Community > New Member Introductions
Click Here to Login
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
 
Old 01-30-2023, 10:25 AM   #1
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2023
Location: Helena, Montana
Trailer: 2023 - 19F1
Posts: 5
Escape 19 going to the Last Best Place

Well, here it goes - my first post. But not my first camper. Got my deposit down but haven't nailed down options yet. We've had a Coleman popup, Casita, and now an Aliner - lots of modifications to each, so I think I know what I want now. However, I have one option that I'd like to get some discussion about.
I've asked ETI to leave out the Dometic furnace and don't cut the hatch/hole for it - not a standard option, My plan is to put in a Dickenson P9000 or P12000 furnace. I saw a video by Slim Potatohead where he installed the P9000 in his small fiberglass trailer (not Escape, but very similar) and I would install it in the same location he used. I don't want the Dometic because of the noise, electrical load, on/off operation, and taking up a cabinet spot. I don't know if the Dickenson is more energy efficient or not, but it is lower BTU output (4500 to 5500 BTU for the P12000) and runs continuously (can be turned up/down in heat output), so the LP use could be similar. The electrical load is only 2 watts for a very quiet computer style fan. Not many options for relocating the heater, but I think Slim picked a reasonable spot - P/S corner at the foot of the bed (search for his video for the details). Any concerns with this plan?
Also wondering about the option for the 3" lift of the dinette area. Why is this even an option? Does the area under this raised floor get insulated? Is this lift needed to see out of the windows while seated? Does is help keep dirt from the seating area? Does it end up with any unforeseen problems (or benefits?)
I've watched a ton of videos about all the other options, so I think I know what I want otherwise. I'm planning to visit the showroom ASAP (we live in Montana) and I'm looking forward to the whole process of ordering. There was a similar owners group forum for the Casita, and it was incredibly helpful - looks like this forum will be also.
__________________

homebrewer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-30-2023, 10:43 AM   #2
Senior Member
 
brroberts's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2020
Location: Overbrook, Kansas
Trailer: 2021 E19 (Padawan)
Posts: 1,350
Not really sure where I would put a Newport in an E19. I canít think of a good spot. Honestly, thatís not a change I would personally make, but I have had furnace issues.

The 3Ē raise is just that, a 3Ē higher seating position for visibility. There is no additional insulation. Iím glad to have it to see out the windows. Itís not essential, but Iíd do it again vs the flat floor. I wondered about the 3Ē step, but Iíve had no concern with it.
Attached Thumbnails
D90FE2A4-DF26-401A-8418-A3E6A3B192AF.jpg  
__________________

__________________
Randy & Barb
1998 C 2500 (Cruncher) and 2021 Ranger (Yoda)
brroberts is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-30-2023, 11:23 AM   #3
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2021
Location: Calgary, Alberta
Trailer: Future 2023 E19 Owner
Posts: 124
Slim Potatohead is one of my favorite YouTubers. His adventures serve as an inspiration for me....once I'm in a position to travel more extensively in the future.

I think that installing a Dickinson propane heater in an Escape will be more of a challenge than a Trillium/Outback. Slim was able to mount it in a corner of the bedroom area and route the flue straight up to the ceiling. The overhead cabinets would make the same location more difficult in the E19. Would there be sufficient minimum clearance between the heater and underside of the cabinets? Would the bigger P12000 would be a necessity given the larger trailer size?

Have you given consideration to other heater options? Maybe a Truma or Alde system?
Selkirk is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-30-2023, 11:58 AM   #4
Senior Member
 
Ron in BC's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: North Van., British Columbia
Trailer: 2014 Escape 19, sold; 2019 Escape 21, Sept. 2019
Posts: 7,725
I've had a lot of experience with Dickinson heaters in boats. The original one I ended up nicknaming "the fire breathing dragon". It would run away and belch out carbon particles. However they did solve that problem and I had many years of quiet solid heat inside the boat with snow on the decks.

I thought seriously about installing one in my 19 but just couldn't see a feasible way of doing it. On my 21C I thought seriously again about installing a Dickinson Alaska. But I'd have to give up the whole drawer stack to do it.

If I cold weather camped a lot I'd probably make that sacrifice but I don't. Couldn't take the boat south in winter to get to the warmth but I can take the trailer.

So, love the heater but it does require a big compromise.

There's an option to getting the raised floor. On our 19 I raised the seats instead. I much prefer a flat floor.

Raising the bench seats works for normal height folks. If someone was really short it might not work so well. Anyway, it's an easy and reversible mod.

Ron
Attached Thumbnails
15-09-2014 10-55-52 AM2rotated_resize.jpg   13-10-2014 2-02-06 PM1_resize.jpg   24-09-2014 2-41-23 PM3_resize.jpg   13-10-2014 2-02-06 PM3_resize.jpg  
Ron in BC is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-30-2023, 12:14 PM   #5
Senior Member
 
Sean Murry's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2016
Location: North Vancouver, British Columbia
Trailer: 2019 Escape 19 "Lily"
Posts: 370
Send a message via MSN to Sean Murry Send a message via Yahoo to Sean Murry
Have you looked at Propex heaters? I don't have any personal experience with them but they do look very interesting to me. People who do have them seem to really like them. Might be easier to install in the Escape.
Sean Murry is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-30-2023, 12:59 PM   #6
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2023
Location: Helena, Montana
Trailer: 2023 - 19F1
Posts: 5
I had not heard of Truma, Alde, or Propex so I checked them out on the web. Truma appears to be both a water and air heater - more than what I'm going for. The Alde is a "boiler" that circulates hot water to radiators on the inside of the trailer - WAY more than what I'm going for. Propex appears to require more cabinet and duct work than I'd like. All from Europe - where they do things better but more expensive. I know that Slim Potatohead does lots of research himself, and has of help from viewers, too, so I'm putting a lot of faith in his recommendation. I think everyone (including me) just accepts the Dometic or Suburban heaters as standard - it's not an option on an Escape. But if you start with a clean slate, which I'm trying to do, look at the pluses and minuses of each - Dometic and Dickenson. Dickenson is way quieter and much lower elect. use. Although it's lower BTU output, the Dickenson runs continuously (no thermostat) so it may be equal to the on/off operation of the Dometic; you're still heating the same CF to the same temperature (hopefully). I'll have to visit the showroom to evaluate the location I'm thinking about - back corner of either side, just like in the video. I don't think there's any better location. I actually like the appearance of the Dickenson - it actually looks attractive on the back wall. I don't think there's any problem safety-wise or efficiency-wise with the location. Plus I get an extra cabinet, and no big hatch on the side, that gets very hot to the touch (that's more of a safety hazard than the cap on the roof for the Dickenson.)
I haven't gotten acceptance from ETI to delete the dometic and get the credit - they may have problems with codes or something, so we'll see where that goes.
homebrewer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-30-2023, 01:17 PM   #7
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2023
Location: Helena, Montana
Trailer: 2023 - 19F1
Posts: 5
I knew this forum would be great! Many of my ideas for modifications are somewhat sketchy, so having to defend them to a collection of owners with varied experiences is extremely valuable - especially when I get saved from my own stupidity! But of course, this particular modification is pure genius.
homebrewer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-30-2023, 01:33 PM   #8
Senior Member
 
Sean Murry's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2016
Location: North Vancouver, British Columbia
Trailer: 2019 Escape 19 "Lily"
Posts: 370
Send a message via MSN to Sean Murry Send a message via Yahoo to Sean Murry
One cool thing about the Dickinson is the open flame. Looks like you have a mini fireplace in your RV. I saw one in a Scout Truck Camper and it looked really cool. Scout has them as an option (or maybe standard, I can't remember). I will be interested to see where you ultimately install this in the Escape 19. I can't visualize a place where it would work, but you are probably more creative than I am.
Sean Murry is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-30-2023, 01:54 PM   #9
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: SLO County, California
Trailer: 2014 Escape 21C 2019 Expedition
Posts: 4,991
I installed a Propex HS2800 vs. the HS2000 in a van as in June 2021 the 2000 was back ordered and the 2800 was only $100 more. BTU's are 9500 vs. 6500.

The unit is almost identical in size to my Atwood heater in the Escape and if it ever goes south will probably use the Propex. It was a super easy install and the intake & exhaust tubes could easily go through the floor as they did in the van. It can be mounted flat or on it's side.
Attached Thumbnails
propex.jpg  
__________________
"We gotta get as far away as we can!"
- Russell Casse, Independence Day
Rossue is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-30-2023, 02:14 PM   #10
Senior Member
 
Sean Murry's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2016
Location: North Vancouver, British Columbia
Trailer: 2019 Escape 19 "Lily"
Posts: 370
Send a message via MSN to Sean Murry Send a message via Yahoo to Sean Murry
I understand the Propex is also quite quiet as well.
Sean Murry is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-30-2023, 02:15 PM   #11
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: SLO County, California
Trailer: 2014 Escape 21C 2019 Expedition
Posts: 4,991
Very quiet.
__________________
"We gotta get as far away as we can!"
- Russell Casse, Independence Day
Rossue is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-30-2023, 02:22 PM   #12
Senior Member
 
rubicon327's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Burlington Twp., New Jersey
Trailer: 2010 Escape 19
Posts: 6,640
Quote:
Originally Posted by homebrewer View Post
Although it's lower BTU output, the Dickenson runs continuously (no thermostat) so it may be equal to the on/off operation of the Dometic; you're still heating the same CF to the same temperature (hopefully). I'll have to visit the showroom to evaluate the location I'm thinking about - back corner of either side, just like in the video. I don't think there's any better location.
I appreciate your out-of-the-box thinking. Some of my mods are along these lines. My major concern with the Dickinson is the low BTU output. The Escape furnaces are 9,120 BTUH output while the largest Dickinson Newport P12000 is only 5,500 BTUH. In really cold weather the Escape furnaces run a lot. These trailers are not insulated like a Bigfoot. The Dickinson will be running non-stop to try to keep up with the heat loss. There is not a powerful fan on them to distribute the heat very well either. My bet is the rear bed area will be comfortable but the front of the trailer won't be very warm at all. Also remember with your mounting location you have the added challenge of taking the exhaust flue up through a cabinet before exiting the roof. If you move ahead I'd like to see pictures and results of your creative endeavor.
__________________
Mods to Rubicon: https://www.escapeforum.org/forums/f...tml#post249508
ďOne way to get the most out of life is to look upon it as an adventure.Ē― W.F.
rubicon327 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-30-2023, 02:23 PM   #13
Senior Member
 
HABBERDABBER's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Madison area, Wisconsin
Trailer: 2016 Escape 19 Chevy 2012 Express 3500 Van
Posts: 1,421
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron in BC View Post

There's an option to getting the raised floor. On our 19 I raised the seats instead. I much prefer a flat floor.

Raising the bench seats works for normal height folks. If someone was really short it might not work so well. Anyway, it's an easy and reversible mod.

Ron
Question. Why did you band the raise-up with what looks to be ply and not fab out of solid wood? Or is that what you did do...band (veneer) it?
HABBERDABBER is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-30-2023, 02:55 PM   #14
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2023
Location: Helena, Montana
Trailer: 2023 - 19F1
Posts: 5
The Propex looks like a viable option. However it would be taking up storage area somewhere. The location Iím planning on isnít used for storage or anything else, so no trade- off there. Also Iím really liking the fireplace concept right over the bed. Iím making a showroom visit this week - a close up exam will really help. Iíve never seen any Escape in person.
homebrewer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-30-2023, 03:01 PM   #15
Senior Member
 
brroberts's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2020
Location: Overbrook, Kansas
Trailer: 2021 E19 (Padawan)
Posts: 1,350
In our 19, we find those corners the perfect lounge area, and would not want to lose the space there.
Attached Thumbnails
97EE6B5A-0A1E-42A0-B7C9-1EE0F8A74104.jpg  
__________________
Randy & Barb
1998 C 2500 (Cruncher) and 2021 Ranger (Yoda)
brroberts is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-30-2023, 03:39 PM   #16
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: SLO County, California
Trailer: 2014 Escape 21C 2019 Expedition
Posts: 4,991
Quote:
Originally Posted by homebrewer View Post
The Propex looks like a viable option. However it would be taking up storage area somewhere. The location Iím planning on isnít used for storage or anything else, so no trade- off there. Also Iím really liking the fireplace concept right over the bed. Iím making a showroom visit this week - a close up exam will really help. Iíve never seen any Escape in person.
Forgot mention the HS2211 is made to mount externally underneath. Just not sure 6500 BTU is enough for an E19.
__________________
"We gotta get as far away as we can!"
- Russell Casse, Independence Day
Rossue is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-30-2023, 04:06 PM   #17
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Naples, New York
Trailer: 2020 Esacpe 19'(Hillbilly Heaven) ETI best named trailer of the year
Posts: 1,186
Dickenson P9000 has some power advantages. the two things that turn me off for 19 escape insulation is manual lighting and no thermostat. with just a high and low setting you have trouble getting the right temp even threw the camper. when I go to bed it I set it to 65 and it stays there even if we get down in single digits. I have experienced some with a little buddy heater and found on low it would still cook me out. window open and fan on low for fresh air.
I thought serios about the raised dinette. After a long debate I decided to see how it worked without it. Glad I waited. I don't have any trouble seeing out the windows.

I don't know much about the Propex. looks like it may do the job well
NEWYORKHILLBILLY is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-30-2023, 05:48 PM   #18
Senior Member
 
Sean Murry's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2016
Location: North Vancouver, British Columbia
Trailer: 2019 Escape 19 "Lily"
Posts: 370
Send a message via MSN to Sean Murry Send a message via Yahoo to Sean Murry
Keep in mind when you delete the standard furnace, that space will open up. You might be able to install the propex unit in that spot, so not giving up any other storage space. We have had our trailer for just over 3 years and we have yet to fill all the storage spaces.
I too would be concerned about the low BTU's of the Dickinson. For us it is more important to have heat at the table when you are eating, reading or playing cards. At night we virtually have no heat on as we like the nights to be cool for sleeping.

Looking at that video posted by Slim Potatoehead, I would be concerned about the low BTU's being enough for the Escape 19. Slim's trailer is smaller and took 2 hours to get to 17 degrees
Sean Murry is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-30-2023, 05:51 PM   #19
Senior Member
 
Ron in BC's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: North Van., British Columbia
Trailer: 2014 Escape 19, sold; 2019 Escape 21, Sept. 2019
Posts: 7,725
Quote:
Originally Posted by rubicon327 View Post

My major concern with the Dickinson is the low BTU output.

The Dickinson will be running non-stop to try to keep up with the heat loss.

There is not a powerful fan on them to distribute the heat very well either.
It just sits there with it's cheery little flickering flame and keeps on silently putting out heat. Normally if we were away for several days in the winter the Dickinson would just stay on.

The heat, on our boat with a pilot house, would find it's way there by convection. A friends boat was more convoluted and he ran a flexible duct from near the chimney to a closed off area. A simple silent computer fan moved the heat quite nicely.

The same friend bought one of those cheap Chinese knock offs to other diesel forced air heaters. It works and does the job but it uses power and is noisy. Don't think that he'll actually use it as the Dickinson has done so well for many years.

Ron
Ron in BC is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-30-2023, 06:14 PM   #20
Senior Member
 
Ron in BC's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: North Van., British Columbia
Trailer: 2014 Escape 19, sold; 2019 Escape 21, Sept. 2019
Posts: 7,725
Quote:
Originally Posted by HABBERDABBER View Post
Question. Why did you band the raise-up with what looks to be ply and not fab out of solid wood? Or is that what you did do...band (veneer) it?
Building things there's always lot's of ways to go.

In this case I already had some 3/8" oak on hand so I built the structure out of pine and glued the oak to it. The front and side could have been solid stock oak.

That simple mod changed the feeling of sitting in the dinette and looking out at the world. Got away from the feeling of sitting down in a hole and only seeing the far off mountain tops.

I think that several people did this mod a few years ago but it seems to have fallen off folks radar. Especially since the raised dinette became an option.

Ron
Attached Thumbnails
15-09-2014 10-55-52 AM2rotated_resize.jpg  
__________________

Ron in BC is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off




» Featured Campgrounds

Reviews provided by

Disclaimer:

This website is not affiliated with or endorsed by Escape Trailer Industries or any of its affiliates. This is an independent, unofficial site.


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:25 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2023, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Copyright 2023 Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.
×