Soneil’s SiO2 Batteries - Somebody Has To Try Them!

[Perry Butler]

Originally Posted by gbaglo

Or listen, apparently.

Oh, I'm listening. You should try it sometime.

Perry

[gbaglo]

Originally Posted by Perryb67

Brian B-P, Big Swede, and Tin, you've said nothing I didn't know or wonder about.

It's my money, not yours. If the batteries crap out I can lose $1,000. I know that and will report it here. I don't know what else to say. I'm not here to argue.

Perry

I think what you said here is "shut up".

[fudge_brownie]

I am surprised at the member comments regarding Perry's venture to different technology. I thought he explained his risk taking nature quite well. It appears that not everyone could appreciate or understand his rationale. While it is good to discuss his decision it is also good to do so in a positive manner. There is not the need to shoot the messenger.

Apparently no one has any experience with these batteries. At least so far. I am anxious to hear of his experience and await hearing from others.

[Donna D.]

I applaud someone who's willing to be first. We'll all learn from Perry's experience, good or bad. It's his money and his risk. Fortunately this first isn't like doing something dangerous that could put others at risk, like towing a stupid amount of weight with a less-than capable tow vehicle.

[Mike G]

Originally Posted by gbaglo

Or listen, apparently.

Perhaps you missed reading the part where he said he'd already plunked down the money for those batteries. What's done is done. Anyone who tries to talk him out of the purchase is spitting into the wind, and anyone who ridicules his purchase decision is IMO being unmannerly.
(Critiquing the product is fine, however.)

[Mike G]

Originally Posted by fudge_brownie

I am surprised at the member comments regarding Perry's venture to different technology. I thought he explained his risk taking nature quite well. It appears that not everyone could appreciate or understand his rationale. While it is good to discuss his decision it is also good to do so in a positive manner. There is not the need to shoot the messenger.

Apparently no one has any experience with these batteries. At least so far. I am anxious to hear of his experience and await hearing from others.

X2. BTW, I have to ask, have you named your trailer? If not, have you thought about calling it "Braun-out" or "Brown-out"? It just came to me. You know, when the Brauns are out camping...

[alanmalk]

Originally Posted by fudge_brownie

...
Apparently no one has any experience with these batteries. At least so far. I am anxious to hear of his experience and await hearing from others.

Speaking for myself only: I admire anyone willing to try something risky and report back with information that might help the community. I for one have jumped without looking at all the ramifications of my actions, with no harm done except to my credit card.


Go for it, Perry!
--
Alan

[Perry Butler]

An interesting review from an actual owner.

A search for SiO2 on RV.net.

Enjoy,

Perry

[Brian B-P]

Originally Posted by Perryb67

I'm not here to argue.

Neither am I. I just thought that this was a forum for discussion.

[canakiwi]

Thanks for those two links Perry, very good info there, i actually learnt a lot.

[BigSwede]

I wasn't arguing against Perry's experiment, just wanted to clarify the implied eco-friendliness of SiO2 batteries.

Their cold weather performance will be interesting, as I live in Minnesota.

[John in Santa Cruz]

Originally Posted by BigSwede

I wasn't arguing against Perry's experiment, just wanted to clarify the implied eco-friendliness of SiO2 batteries.

Their cold weather performance will be interesting, as I live in Minnesota.

Indeed, as far as I can tell from all the reading I've done on the quote sio2 batteries, they're just AGMs rebranded. the absorbed glass mat in an AGM battery is in fact glass which is primarily silicon dioxide, Si 02

[Perry Butler]

Originally Posted by John in Santa Cruz

Indeed, as far as I can tell from all the reading I've done on the quote sio2 batteries, they're just AGMs rebranded. the absorbed glass mat in an AGM battery is in fact glass which is primarily silicon dioxide, Si 02

If they were “just AGMs rebranded” I wouldn’t be buying them. I suggest you read my posts again and do more research. For instance, my AGM’s had 110 useable ah’s at 50% DOD (220 * 50%) and the SiO2’s I’m purchasing have 130 useable ah’s (260 * 50%), but they can go to 80% DOD, providing 208 useable ah’s, and still have a 1500 cycle life. How long will other lead batteries go down to to 80% DOD before dying? But I explained many more reasons in my previous posts. If those reasons don’t apply to you then you need to look elsewhere for batteries.

As an addendum to my above reasoning, these are lead batteries. The SiO2’s are replacing our previous AGM’s so it’s basically a wash for weight. Weight is not an issue for us, since we don’t haul the proverbial kitchen sink. YMMV.

Enjoy,

Perry

[Perry Butler]

Originally Posted by Brian B-P

Neither am I. I just thought that this was a forum for discussion.

You’re correct! I apologize for including you in that post.

Enjoy,

Perry

[wackyburggeezer]

I applaud Perry for putting his money where his mouth is. There are any number of technical articles (not Wikianything) that look at the electrochemical storage capacity of these batteries. Field testing will tell the tale. Thanks Perry!

[Perry Butler]

For reference, an interesting AGM Data Sheet from Trojan.

Compare the DOD of Trojans to the theoretical DOD of Soniel SiO2’s. Notice I wrote “theoretical”.

Enjoy,

Perry

[Jim Bennett]

My AGMs are only 5 years old so have a good bit of life left in them, but when I do replace them will likely move to something else. I look forward to hearing the results of you battery quest, Perry.

We do get cold here, but have fortunately come out of the deep freeze we were in with overnight lows of -35°C and a couple highs only up to -25°C. Don't want batteries that don't like the cold.

Tesla has been working with Dalhousie University in Nova Scotia in battery development. It sounds like they are addressing the cold temperature problems as one of their focuses.

[Tin]

Originally Posted by Perryb67

Brian B-P, Big Swede, and Tin, you've said nothing I didn't know or wonder about.

It's my money, not yours. If the batteries crap out I can lose $1,000. I know that and will report it here. I don't know what else to say. I'm not here to argue.

Perry

Perry I have no desire to argue with you and I understand you already bought these batteries. I only wanted to point out IMO this is a long running battery scam and I would hate to see others lose there hard earned money. good luck with your new agm batteries.

[AKCamper]

Originally Posted by Perryb67

Since our Crown AGM batteries are failing we need new batteries. My knowledge of batteries is much greater today than 2 ½ years ago when we ordered our Crown AGM 220 ah 6 volt batteries.
Enjoy,

Perry

Perry,
I may be mistaken, but I thought the Crown AGM Bateries had a three year replacement warranty. If that is true maybe you could get them replaced under warranty.
Cody

[Perry Butler]

Originally Posted by AKCamper

Perry,
I may be mistaken, but I thought the Crown AGM Bateries had a three year replacement warranty. If that is true maybe you could get them replaced under warranty.
Cody

I contacted Crown and they have a one year warranty. It has been two years since we got our replacement batteries and 2 years 4 months since we purchased the originals. Some distributors can give a longer warranty, but Crowns warranty is one year.

According to UPS tracking the SiO2’s are in Goodyear, Arizona, and should arrive in Tucson tomorrow. Our intention is to pick them up and install them on Friday. On Saturday we head to Cochise Stronhold where they have new BLM type sites. We’ll orientate our 170 watt rooftop panel to the south and put out our 100 watt portable to top off the batteries. Unfortunately for the month of March we’ll be trying an RV resort in Apache Junction, so won’t need the batteries till April. However, we’ll probably go for a week or so at the resort without plugging in to give the batteries a few cycles.

Enjoy,

Perry