17a vs 17b or 19? - Page 2 - Escape Trailer Owners Community
Free 7 Day Trial RV GPS App RV Trip Planner Campground Reviews RV Maintenance Free 7 Day Trial ×

Go Back   Escape Trailer Owners Community > Escape Me | General Topics > Shopping Escape
Click Here to Login
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
 
Old 10-17-2015, 08:06 PM   #21
Senior Member
 
gbaglo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: North Vancouver, British Columbia
Trailer: 2009 Escape 17B 2020 Toyota Highlander XLE
Posts: 15,704
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brian B-P View Post
Perhaps interesting, but the hitch class does not determine the use of WDH. WD systems are only available in 2" and larger, so you can't find one to use with a 1.25" receiver; however, not all 2" receivers are suitable for WD use, even if they are rated Class 3. Class 3 - as defined by SAE J684 and the very old VESC V-5 standard - simply means a trailer weight capacity over 3500 pounds and up to 5000 pounds.
I'm still trying to follow your statement above. What I said is, that on my Toyota RAV4 V6, the Toyota factory hitch receiver would have been a Class II, which is not suitable for a WDH.
I gather that for WDH one would need a Class III at least. So I had the dealer install a Class III, which is suitable for WDH.
The key to my stipulation to the dealer was that it be suitable for WDH.
__________________

__________________
What happens to the hole when the cheese is gone?
- Bertolt Brecht
gbaglo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-17-2015, 08:30 PM   #22
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: n/a, Texas
Trailer: Escape
Posts: 462
The hitch is suitable, but the vehicle might not be. You can bolt a class III to anything.
__________________

Viajante is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-17-2015, 08:31 PM   #23
Senior Member
 
Greg A's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Phoenix, Arizona
Trailer: 2015 Escape 19 "Seventy Degrees"
Posts: 3,494
Greg A is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-17-2015, 09:31 PM   #24
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Edmonton, Alberta
Trailer: 1979 Boler B1700
Posts: 13,569
Quote:
Originally Posted by gbaglo View Post
I'm still trying to follow your statement above. What I said is, that on my Toyota RAV4 V6, the Toyota factory hitch receiver would have been a Class II, which is not suitable for a WDH.
I gather that for WDH one would need a Class III at least. So I had the dealer install a Class III, which is suitable for WDH.
You were asking what class of hitch a vehicle has, and I was just explaining why that doesn't tell you if it is suitable for WDH or not (which was the subject that the thread had wandered to).

Quote:
Originally Posted by gbaglo View Post
The key to my stipulation to the dealer was that it be suitable for WDH.
That makes sense.
Brian B-P is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-17-2015, 09:33 PM   #25
Senior Member
 
gbaglo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: North Vancouver, British Columbia
Trailer: 2009 Escape 17B 2020 Toyota Highlander XLE
Posts: 15,704
__________________
What happens to the hole when the cheese is gone?
- Bertolt Brecht
gbaglo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-19-2015, 03:34 PM   #26
Member
 
erikcampbell's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: Whittier, California
Trailer: 2015 19" -Are we there yet?-
Posts: 65
I emailed Toyota about using a WDH on a 2015 4Runner. I will let you know what they say when they get back to me.
erikcampbell is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-19-2015, 03:48 PM   #27
Senior Member
 
Iowa Dave's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Benton County, Iowa
Trailer: 2013 Escape 21 Classic Number 6, pulled by 2018 Toyota Highlander
Posts: 5,973
We're pulling our 19 with a
V-6 Highlander with no problem. My Curt hitch has seven bolts tieing it
to the undercarriage of the Highlander. I use the ETI provided standard WDH with the standard stinger. Works good. No sway, no porpoising, tows level. Most important, get your rig set up right, check the bolts regularly, check tires
and pressures regularly, follow the same hookup routine every time, hit the road.
Dave
Iowa Dave is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-19-2015, 04:27 PM   #28
Senior Member
 
gbaglo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: North Vancouver, British Columbia
Trailer: 2009 Escape 17B 2020 Toyota Highlander XLE
Posts: 15,704
Quote:
Originally Posted by erikcampbell View Post
I emailed Toyota about using a WDH on a 2015 4Runner. I will let you know what they say when they get back to me.
Good luck with that. Took me six years of pestering them and the dealer to get an answer to my question.
__________________
What happens to the hole when the cheese is gone?
- Bertolt Brecht
gbaglo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-19-2015, 05:13 PM   #29
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Kelowna, British Columbia
Trailer: 2008 Escape 17b
Posts: 1,868
Quote:
Originally Posted by gbaglo View Post
Good luck with that. Took me six years of pestering them and the dealer to get an answer to my question.
Well...don't make us wait...what did they say?
J Mac is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-19-2015, 05:17 PM   #30
Senior Member
 
gbaglo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: North Vancouver, British Columbia
Trailer: 2009 Escape 17B 2020 Toyota Highlander XLE
Posts: 15,704
Posted several times now:

RAV4 and WDH -The Answer
Finally, after some six years I got to speak to somebody at Toyota Canada and they explained why Toyota does not recommend a weight distribution hitch.
He said, it is because they do not have a manufacturing partnership with a WDH supplier and so they cannot offer any guarantee or take any responsibility. If they did, the manuals for the RAV and from the hitch maker would contain instructions and information for its set-up and use.
Simple as that. They are not saying you can't use one, just that they can't recommend that you do.
__________________
What happens to the hole when the cheese is gone?
- Bertolt Brecht
gbaglo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-19-2015, 05:31 PM   #31
Senior Member
 
Jim Bennett's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Calgary, Alberta
Trailer: 2017 Escape 5.0 TA
Posts: 14,972
Quote:
Originally Posted by gbaglo View Post
Posted several times now:
You can tell you are getting old, when you repeat yourself so many times.
__________________
2017 Escape 5.0 TA
2015 Ford F150 Lariat 3.5L EcoBoost
2009 Escape 19 (previous)
“Most folks are about as happy as they make up their minds to be.” — Abraham Lincoln
Jim Bennett is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-19-2015, 11:23 PM   #32
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Pitt Meadows, British Columbia
Trailer: Looking again...
Posts: 35
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim Bennett View Post
You can tell you are getting old, when you repeat yourself so many times.
LOL
__________________
2014 Escape 17B (Now sold... sniff...)
2013 Toyota Tacoma
allan3089 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-19-2015, 11:40 PM   #33
Senior Member
 
float5's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Denison, Texas
Trailer: 2015 21'; 2011 19' sold; 4Runner; ph ninezero3 327-27ninefour
Posts: 5,136
Quote:
Originally Posted by gbaglo View Post
Posted several times now:

RAV4 and WDH -The Answer
Finally, after some six years I got to speak to somebody at Toyota Canada and they explained why Toyota does not recommend a weight distribution hitch.
He said, it is because they do not have a manufacturing partnership with a WDH supplier and so they cannot offer any guarantee or take any responsibility. If they did, the manuals for the RAV and from the hitch maker would contain instructions and information for its set-up and use.
Simple as that. They are not saying you can't use one, just that they can't recommend that you do.
No doubt someone else will get a different answer from them. The above makes sense.
__________________
Cathy. Floating Cloud
"Live in the sunshine, swim the sea, drink the wild air.... "
Emerson
float5 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-20-2015, 08:01 AM   #34
Senior Member
 
Dave Walter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Edmonton, Alberta
Trailer: 2013 19' & 2013 15B
Posts: 2,444
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim Bennett View Post
You can tell you are getting old, when you repeat yourself so many times.
Not, exactly. A true sign of aging is not remembering that you have already said something.

A true sign of aging is not remembering that you have already said something.
__________________
2013 19' \ 2013 15B, 2020 Toyota 4Runner TRD Offroad

"It is better to remain silent at the risk of being thought a fool, than to talk and remove all doubt of it." - 1907, Maurice Switzer
Dave Walter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-20-2015, 08:14 AM   #35
Senior Member
 
thoer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Galesville, Wisconsin
Trailer: 2017 21 "Blue II" & 2017 Highlander XLE (previously 2010 17B "Blue" & 2008 Tacoma)
Posts: 4,225
Interesting that my 2008 Tacoma manual says Toyota recommends using a WDH.

(and I too am now repeating myself ....)
__________________
Eric (and Mary who is in no way responsible for anything stupid I post)

"Beware of false knowledge; it is more dangerous than ignorance." George Bernard Shaw
thoer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-20-2015, 08:21 AM   #36
Senior Member
 
LeonW's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: St. Paul, Minnesota
Trailer: 2014 Escape 21 -- The Skylark. Towed by a 2014 Highlander
Posts: 1,125
And my 2015 Highlander manual says that trailers weighing 5000 lbs or less do not need a WDH. I have always thought that is kind of strange, because it seemed to me that tongue weight would also figure into the equation. But on the other hand, I am not an engineer.
__________________
Camping: Where you spend a small fortune to live like a homeless person.
LeonW is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-20-2015, 08:26 AM   #37
Senior Member
 
thoer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Galesville, Wisconsin
Trailer: 2017 21 "Blue II" & 2017 Highlander XLE (previously 2010 17B "Blue" & 2008 Tacoma)
Posts: 4,225
Leon, I often wonder how much of what in the manual actually comes from engineers and how much from lawyers?
__________________
Eric (and Mary who is in no way responsible for anything stupid I post)

"Beware of false knowledge; it is more dangerous than ignorance." George Bernard Shaw
thoer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-20-2015, 08:43 AM   #38
Senior Member
 
LeonW's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: St. Paul, Minnesota
Trailer: 2014 Escape 21 -- The Skylark. Towed by a 2014 Highlander
Posts: 1,125
Quote:
Originally Posted by thoer View Post
Leon, I often wonder how much of what in the manual actually comes from engineers and how much from lawyers?
I have a hunch that some of it also comes from marketing.
__________________
Camping: Where you spend a small fortune to live like a homeless person.
LeonW is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-21-2015, 05:15 PM   #39
Member
 
erikcampbell's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: Whittier, California
Trailer: 2015 19" -Are we there yet?-
Posts: 65
Toyota has no problem with WDH on new 4runners

Quote:
Originally Posted by gbaglo View Post
Good luck with that. Took me six years of pestering them and the dealer to get an answer to my question.
Response from Toyota is attached:
Attached Images
File Type: jpg image.jpg (152.9 KB, 70 views)
erikcampbell is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-21-2015, 05:18 PM   #40
Senior Member
 
gbaglo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: North Vancouver, British Columbia
Trailer: 2009 Escape 17B 2020 Toyota Highlander XLE
Posts: 15,704
Excellent. Things appear to be picking up.
__________________

__________________
What happens to the hole when the cheese is gone?
- Bertolt Brecht
gbaglo is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off




» Featured Campgrounds

Reviews provided by

Disclaimer:

This website is not affiliated with or endorsed by Escape Trailer Industries or any of its affiliates. This is an independent, unofficial site.


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:13 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Copyright 2012 Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.
×