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04-16-2017, 02:08 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: O town, British Columbia
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Condensation on new 2nd gen?
so now that people have been camping in various climates with the new frameless windows and improved wall insulation in the 2017s (there was an improvement in the insulation right?), how are the condensation issues?? Same, worse, improved?
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04-16-2017, 04:05 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: no fixed address, California
Trailer: 2017-21' Escape (sold) Casita 17' (sold)
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BCnomad
so now that people have been camping in various climates with the new frameless windows and improved wall insulation in the 2017s (there was an improvement in the insulation right?), how are the condensation issues?? Same, worse, improved?
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We have a 2017 21'
Extra insulation
Under body foam
Frameless windows.
And have camped from just below freezing to hot
Before we put pool noodles down around the permanent bed, we had slight condensation between mattress and wall. Very slight.
Now with the air gap, due to pool noodles - zero problems.
Very happy.
John.
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04-16-2017, 04:09 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Edmonton, Alberta
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Posts: 14,935
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BCnomad
... improved wall insulation in the 2017s (there was an improvement in the insulation right?)
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The wall/ceiling insulation was changed from Reflectix (aluminized bubble wrap) to a 1/2" thick closed-cell foam sheet (usually used as packing foam), either with the design change last year or at about the same time. Since the Reflectix was not facing an air gap, the new foam will will certainly be better... but I don't know whether the improvement is noticeable.
The new insulation appears to be polyethylene foam, which has an insulation value of roughly R-3 per inch of thickness, although the value will depend on the density of the foam. That means about R-1.5, plus or minus; the Reflectix will much much lower.
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04-16-2017, 04:24 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: NA, Arizona
Trailer: 2017 5.0TA
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So far zero problems, although the coldest we have been in is about 28 degrees F.
The trailers seal is very nice no noticeable drafts or openings average inside/ outside temp difference is around 12 to 15 degrees F. in both hot and cold temps.
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04-16-2017, 04:36 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Central, Pennsylvania
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In addition Escape is using a smaller mattress, perhaps 2" less that means it is no longer crammed against the exterior walls, there is actually a little space all around that allows air and eliminates condensation issues.
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04-16-2017, 04:44 PM
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Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Ventura County, California
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cpaharley2008
In addition Escape is using a smaller mattress, perhaps 2" less that means it is no longer crammed against the exterior walls, there is actually a little space all around that allows air and eliminates condensation issues.
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On our 2013 the queen mattress has a air gap all around the mattress . Pat
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04-16-2017, 04:46 PM
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Join Date: Sep 2013
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Using the large pool noodles behind the dinette cushions helps with any condensation , also makes a nice slat to back cushion , making more comfortable . Pat
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04-16-2017, 04:53 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Phoenix, Arizona
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We did the large pool noodles behind the dinette cushions and it works really great. Puts the cushion back at the correct angle.
Think you told us about that one, Pat!
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04-16-2017, 04:57 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Surrey, British Columbia
Trailer: 2016 - Escape 19 (2nd Gen), 2021 F150 Powerboost
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We went from single glazed and no extra insulation to frameless with extra insulation and spray foam underneath. Way better. Not quantifiable, but we're happy. We do shower and cook in our trailer and the condensation is quite manageable. If we wanted the same results in our previous trailer we would have had to use the campground showers, boil our eggs outside, and sleep in the truck. The floor is quite a bit warmer. I think our dog is more comfortable. That's all that really matters
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04-16-2017, 05:24 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: NA, Arizona
Trailer: 2017 5.0TA
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Patandlinda
Using the large pool noodles behind the dinette cushions helps with any condensation , also makes a nice slat to back cushion , making more comfortable . Pat
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Thanks Pat will give it a try.
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04-16-2017, 06:10 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: ,, Oklahoma
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I Always crack the roof vent. Camped above freezing in WA, OR, AZ, TX No problems so far with dual pane windows and extra ins.
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04-16-2017, 07:22 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Ventura County, California
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tin
Thanks Pat will give it a try.
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Love the lock and chain idea too ! Pat
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04-16-2017, 10:48 PM
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Junior Member
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: Lubbock, Texas
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Patandlinda
Using the large pool noodles behind the dinette cushions helps with any condensation , also makes a nice slat to back cushion , making more comfortable . Pat
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OK, I'll bite--- what is a "pool noodle?"
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04-16-2017, 10:59 PM
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Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Ventura County, California
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JimJoplin
OK, I'll bite--- what is a "pool noodle?"
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Ok I see your from Texas . You don't have pool noddles there ? Someone have a picture for Jim ? Jim we usually use to float in pools but they have lot's of uses too. It is foam , they come in colors . If someone doesn't put up a picture for you , I'II take one tomorrow for you . Pat
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04-16-2017, 11:05 PM
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Senior Member
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Location: Bellingham and Glacier, Washington
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Fresh off the internet...
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04-16-2017, 11:44 PM
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Site Team
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Canyon Lake, Texas
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Patandlinda
Ok I see your from Texas . You don't have pool noddles there ?
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Umm...yeah, we do. And pools to put them in too.
Just as an aside, I split one lengthwise and used it as a "gasket" to make the back of my range hood fit better when I retrofitted the fan.
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04-17-2017, 01:03 AM
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Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Ventura County, California
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Quote:
Originally Posted by KarenH
Fresh off the internet...
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Thanks Karen . Pat
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04-17-2017, 01:06 AM
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Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Ventura County, California
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rbryan4
Umm...yeah, we do. And pools to put them in too.
Just as an aside, I split one lengthwise and used it as a "gasket" to make the back of my range hood fit better when I retrofitted the fan.
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I know you do Robert . Also used split to put on sharp edges of solar panels ,to not tear your cover you might put on your trailer . Pat
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04-17-2017, 10:51 AM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Denison, Texas
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In cold areas, put around water and other pipes. That could be done in a trailer.
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04-17-2017, 11:06 AM
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Senior Member
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Location: Ventura County, California
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Quote:
Originally Posted by float5
In cold areas, put around water and other pipes. That could be done in a trailer.
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Hi Cathy ! Yup another use ! Pat
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