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Old 04-22-2015, 06:46 AM   #21
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The front window option eliminates the bed headboard shelf inside, a very handy item to have while sleeping. In addition it is off center on the outside, some may see it as somewhat askewed?
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Old 04-22-2015, 07:39 AM   #22
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The 21' is my second favorite ETI build. Love my 5er! Adding a front window to the 21' is a tough decision. Glad I didn't have to make it. Frankly, I don't see any usefulness except extra light. The only way to look out the window is to be on the bed on your hands and knees. It's too far away to see much of anything from the foot of the bed or other areas. And the visual from the front exterior just doesn't have the clean unbroken lines of the 21' without the window. And, I'm a visual person. Like I said, I'm glad I didn't have to make that decision.
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Old 04-22-2015, 08:40 AM   #23
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We opted to do over the bed cubbies and absolutely love them! I think they were the first ones to be done. And we also added an extra wardrobe over the drawers..you can kind of see that in the picture.
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Old 04-22-2015, 08:58 AM   #24
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We opted to do over the bed cubbies and absolutely love them! I think they were the first ones to be done. And we also added an extra wardrobe over the drawers..you can kind of see that in the picture.
How did you do your mattress cover? Looks very neat and tidy.
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Old 04-22-2015, 09:01 AM   #25
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How did you do your mattress cover? Looks very neat and tidy.
Thank you! We used customized fabric, so we ordered extra fabric for the cover and Escape made the cover for us.
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Old 04-22-2015, 09:20 AM   #26
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Love your fabric and formica! Great choices. I think, for me, that was one of the hardest decisions to make and I really didn't know how it would turn out until we picked up the trailer! I agree with Donna, the front window being offset would drive me crazy and inside the bed area doesn't seem as cozy. To each his own though, it's sooo much and it's all good!

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Old 04-22-2015, 09:51 AM   #27
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What may be cozy to some, may be confining and claustrophobic to others. The more windows the better for someone like me. But that's what is great about Escape trailers...to each his own.
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Old 04-22-2015, 10:33 AM   #28
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Yeah, every bit of info I had said it would slide front to back. Thought that all u-shaped dinettes had that. My next mod will be to replace the two poles with a gas operated telescoping single pole. Gonna wait until we install Allure flooring though. That way we can cover up the mounting holes from the original pole bases.
Thanks for info on this, build should start soon for me and I was expecting table to slide front to back. Contacted ETI today to put in my preference for this option.
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Old 04-22-2015, 10:46 AM   #29
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The 21' is my second favorite ETI build. Love my 5er! Adding a front window to the 21' is a tough decision. Glad I didn't have to make it. Frankly, I don't see any usefulness except extra light. The only way to look out the window is to be on the bed on your hands and knees. It's too far away to see much of anything from the foot of the bed or other areas. And the visual from the front exterior just doesn't have the clean unbroken lines of the 21' without the window. And, I'm a visual person. Like I said, I'm glad I didn't have to make that decision.
Yes, Donna (and Jim, too) - those are all reasons we didn't think we'd bother with the front window. You (of all people) know I've never thought it a priority to have a view of the back of our tow vehicle; thus, I've always seen it as a plus that our Casita does not have a window across the front. And I like that narrow shelf at the head of the bed in the 21; seems perfect for charging a phone, stashing reading glasses for the night, etc. But now that I've seen it both ways, I find that adding daylight in the front of the 21, adjacent to the bath-closet, makes for a beautiful space. It opens up the whole room. I should've taken a picture...
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Old 04-22-2015, 10:54 AM   #30
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We opted to do over the bed cubbies and absolutely love them! I think they were the first ones to be done. And we also added an extra wardrobe over the drawers..you can kind of see that in the picture.
Ah, the cubbies do look good - thanks for posting the pic. I see that you have a stooge table on your drawer stack, which looks important since you added the extra wardrobe.

Huge disappointment for us is the size of the mickeywave cabinet. I had wanted to use the oven we already have in that space - but there is no way it will fit.. I wonder if moving the wardrobe to the drawer stack would give us a different option for configuring a better (bigger) cabinet for the microwave... One reason I like the one we have is we leave it at home when we'll be off the grid.
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Old 04-22-2015, 11:02 AM   #31
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Huge disappointment for us is the size of the mickeywave cabinet. I had wanted to use the oven we already have in that space - but there is no way it will fit.. I wonder if moving the wardrobe to the drawer stack would give us a different option for configuring a better (bigger) cabinet for the microwave... One reason I like the one we have is we leave it at home when we'll be off the grid.

Been there, fretted about that. The 'extra microwave' here was a house model and huge. It was however "paid for".... I bit the bullet and got the ETI supplied one. Best $80 I spent, as it is darn near the equal (heating time wise) of the monster that is in my closet.

I would strongly suggest not trying to shoe horn your existing one in. I find there is precious little storage (in the high traffic areas) now.

Four screws are all that retain the microwave, so leaving it at home should not be a problem.


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Old 04-22-2015, 11:11 AM   #32
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The other thing about the front window (in the interest of full disclosure, ha ha) is it's tempered, not thermal, glass. Apparently, it will sweat, a la the way Casita windows (frequently) look of a morning. There are ways to remedy that somewhat.

Knowing all that, I'm still smitten with that light - so you can see I'm hopeless.
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Old 04-22-2015, 11:15 AM   #33
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Been there, fretted about that. The 'extra microwave' here was a house model and huge. It was however "paid for".... I bit the bullet and got the ETI supplied one. Best $80 I spent, as it is darn near the equal (heating time wise) of the monster that is in my closet.

I would strongly suggest not trying to shoe horn your existing one in. I find there is precious little storage (in the high traffic areas) now.

Four screws are all that retain the microwave, so leaving it at home should not be a problem.


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Thanks, Bruce. That's good to know. Marlene did comment on how powerful theirs is... and I do like the countertop on that drawer stack, especially if we don't have the shelf or cubbies across the head of the bed.
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We decided that we do not want a front window. It is a sleeping area so we do not want more light. There is a big window next to the bed already. The window would not be thermal, as you mentioned. Also, it used to be that there was a big problem with water getting into a front window. That does seem fixed but I recall a 19' owner reporting a lot of water under his rock shield. We did not get any under our rock shield but he was getting plenty. If we wanted more light, it would be at the dinette area, but that area has plenty of light.

You have seen what you have seen with a window so if you really like it, might as well get it!
We saw Cheryl's with the great cubbies overhead so we are looking at that.
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Old 04-22-2015, 05:56 PM   #35
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We opted to do over the bed cubbies and absolutely love them! I think they were the first ones to be done. And we also added an extra wardrobe over the drawers..you can kind of see that in the picture.
Cheryl, we did not look closely at your cubbies. Is that all open area behind the dividers we see or is the useable area only within the white spaces we are seeing? Your cubbies looked so great!
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Old 04-22-2015, 06:15 PM   #36
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Wife thought she wanted window from having a 17B. Thankfully Tammy pointed out the fact there is a large window there already, that it would be warmer plus have a shelf. We saw one recently with window and to me it makes the area look smaller.

The thermal pane windows in our experience aren't much different with condensation than the standard ones on our 17B, and in fact we originally had the standard windows on our build sheet. Due to half of them being backordered we went with thermals and they do open easier and are quieter. The thermal value is almost nil vs. standard windows. No air between panes so it is essentially two plates of glass stacked together.
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No air between panes so it is essentially two plates of glass stacked together.
A vacuum space does have some insulating value, I believe.
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Old 04-22-2015, 07:55 PM   #38
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Actually there is air between the glass panes in sealed units. When they are made you use either an aluminum frame filled with desiccant or Superspacer which also contains desiccant then seal the 2 panes and frame together with butyl or polysulphide sealant. I believe the RV ones that ETI uses are about 3/16" airspace (between panes) from what I remember. Single pane windows would have an R value of less then 1, add even a small airspace and that will more then double, add a larger airspace and a low E coating with argon gas between the panes and you could increase the R value up to about 4.

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Old 04-22-2015, 09:35 PM   #39
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Hi, all. We are working on our build sheet for our soon to be Escape 21. Build date is Sept. 14, 2015. Other commitments between now and then make the timing perfect for us. We plan to fetch it ourselves and attend the Fall NOG before heading back to central Texas.

Meanwhile, we've viewed a couple of 21's, as well as a couple of 5.0 TA's - in fact today we made a quick trip over to the Bluebonnet Rally (a.k.a. The Blueb) in Bandera, Texas. The rally doesn't begin until tomorrow, but Tammy and Reace and Dennis and Marlene are already there. It was great to meet them and discuss a few aspects of the soon to be. (Wish I had a cool name for it, but as yet I do not.) Rob & Robbie are also already there, and their very nicely appointed 21 changed our minds about several details on the build sheet. Thank you, Robbie & Rob! It was very good to hear their "what we especially like" and "what we wish we'd done differently" comments... I can tell we are going to love our new trailer!
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With you being an experienced camper, you may not need much advice, but my favorite accessory is the 1500W inverter wired to all our house receptacles. We have inverters in all our cars, and would have added one to our 21' if ETI didn't offer one. I love the flexibility it offers. Microwave and toaster do fine on it, one at a time of course. And then there is the TV or radio that some don't care for, but I do.
This is probably a minority view, but I love having one.
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Actually there is air between the glass panes in sealed units. When they are made you use either an aluminum frame filled with desiccant or Superspacer which also contains desiccant then seal the 2 panes and frame together with butyl or polysulphide sealant. I believe the RV ones that ETI uses are about 3/16" airspace (between panes) from what I remember. Single pane windows would have an R value of less then 1, add even a small airspace and that will more then double, add a larger airspace and a low E coating with argon gas between the panes and you could increase the R value up to about 4.

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Not what I heard from Hehr when I had thw rusty window screws problem. I basically quoted the rep who had 30 years in the business. Hehr was one of the last to get into thermal windows in the rv biz and was primarily due to competition. They dont add any significant r-value over the single pane.
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