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Old 11-23-2016, 09:03 PM   #1
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Being relatively new to RVing (and to this forum) we are working on the specs for an Escape 19. I'm wondering if anyone has an opinion on the thermal window choice. The regular slider windows appear to be better for airflow but I don't have any experience with them, or the thermal tip out.
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Old 11-23-2016, 09:38 PM   #2
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Being relatively new to RVing (and to this forum) we are working on the specs for an Escape 19. I'm wondering if anyone has an opinion on the thermal window choice. The regular slider windows appear to be better for airflow but I don't have any experience with them, or the thermal tip out.
Thanks for your opinion
Hey Jeff, Welcome! Lots of prior discussions. Do a "Search" for windows on previous threads and be prepared to read lots of opinions. I think it's generally agreed that the sliders open wider to allow more air movement, but they have the potential to let rain in. The new awning style are better at keeping rain out when open, but they may not allow as much air flow. A few owners have had a problem with one or the other of their new awning style not sealing completely shut, but I believe ETI had a quick fix or replacement for them. Let the discussion begin (again).... Dale
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Old 11-23-2016, 09:42 PM   #3
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Old 11-23-2016, 09:42 PM   #4
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Being relatively new to RVing (and to this forum) we are working on the specs for an Escape 19. I'm wondering if anyone has an opinion on the thermal window choice. The regular slider windows appear to be better for airflow but I don't have any experience with them, or the thermal tip out.
Thanks for your opinion
For what it's worth Jeff: If I were having an Escape built today, I'd go with the frameless thermal windows everywhere I could put them - hands down.
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Old 11-23-2016, 10:19 PM   #5
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I plan on having the thermal frame less windows installed specifically for insulating value and the rain issue. Had old style sliders and will never go back.
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Old 11-23-2016, 10:50 PM   #6
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I plan on having the thermal frame less windows installed specifically for insulating value and the rain issue. Had old style sliders and will never go back.
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just my 2c

I was in a 21' escape on a hot day a while back, and it had the new frameless awning style windows, and there was plenty of air moving thru, even with no real breeze to speak of.

Plus the roof fan is always an option, plus opening the rear window as well.... and the door.

but some people prefer the sliders, and that is fine. Nice to have the choice.

I remember many times when camping in our Casita (with sliders) that rain in the night woke me up, and i had to close a sliding window.... nice the awning style should somewhat reduce this happening...
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Old 11-24-2016, 05:33 AM   #7
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Jim reports no more black streaks, that's a check mark on the new awning style side of the ledger. I know you're having a 19 built but for the 5.0TA folks I've read the dual pane loft windows in awning style now open, which they do not in the framed style, a big check mark for the awnings if true. I'd check that with ETI.
The 2 issues above are my only gripes with the framed windows, I'd go frameless if I were doing it again.
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Old 11-24-2016, 06:48 AM   #8
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We are going from sliders to frameless mainly because of the rain issue. But they look great too and the back window opens on the frameless.
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Old 11-24-2016, 07:27 AM   #9
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FWIW we are going frameless also. The look and the opening rear window sold us. On our 21 we love having light and are getting the front window also.
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Old 11-24-2016, 07:28 AM   #10
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The new awning style clean look to be honest is my main reason for going for them. They should perform at least as well thermally too, perhaps better. There are so many opening windows in an Escape, ventilation is never an issue.

One thing I keep hearing touted is that awning style is better in the rain. Who opens windows when cold and rainy anyway. We may crack one and put the MaxxFan on low to vent humidity, but rarely is a window open much at all.
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Old 11-24-2016, 07:36 AM   #11
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Where I live, very seldom when it rains is the wind not blowing.. huh Jim . So opening windows when it rains is a non-starter for me. I just turn on the MaxxFan and open the bathroom window. Don't care if the bathroom gets a bit wet, but don't want the upholstery, bed or blinds to get wet! YMMV.
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Old 11-24-2016, 07:56 AM   #12
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In Houston, opening the windows during summer isn't something we treasure - rain or not! However, in the spring and fall we often have rain when the temperature is great. Being able to open the window in those times will be nice. I plan to get the frameless windows so I have choices. I also totally love the idea of back windows that open!
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Old 11-24-2016, 08:20 AM   #13
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I guess I have not used an RV in hotter climates, but does it not cool down when it rains? I know when in places like Mexico, rain is a welcome thing bringing temps down to a moderate level, though the humidity for a while after is intense.
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We've never had a camper with a built-in ventilated range hood before, so to those of you with real world experience, how much can the range hood vent (designed for air leaving the camper when the hood fan is turned on), which is shielded on the outside from rain, contribute to ventilating the camper when the MaxxFan is running (and pulling air IN through the hood vent when the hood fan is turned off)? Does that even make sense?
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We've never had a camper with a built-in ventilated range hood before, so to those of you with real world experience, how much can the range hood vent (designed for air leaving the camper when the hood fan is turned on), which is shielded on the outside from rain, contribute to ventilating the camper when the MaxxFan is running (and pulling air IN through the hood vent when the hood fan is turned off)? Does that even make sense?
The fan in the hood is very noisy, but yes you can clothes pin the vent cover open and have the maxxfan pull in air, or you can skip the stove vent and do the same with frameless awning windows. Having had both style, I'm happiest with the newer frameless windows, they make the trailer look more modern, they eliminate the black streaks one always has with the old style windows, they all open in the rear whereas the old style do not, they can be used in the rain, whereas the old style can not, the list just goes on and on....
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Where I live, very seldom when it rains is the wind not blowing.. huh Jim .
I most certainly learned this lesson well.
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We had a framed awning window installed at the kitchen. We use it everywhere, hot or cold weather. It can be hot as heck in the south and still hot as heck with rain and no wind. That even goes for the Midwest in summer. If windy, it can be opened only slightly and will still work. We only need one window open and the fan, but we do open the bath window, too. I don't see any need for more than one awning window as far as condensation in a small trailer. Between it and the fan, that seems to work.
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Besides the reasons already listed, we are going with the frameless to reduce condensation on the metal frames, With the metal frame covered on the outside by the glass and seal, there should be less heat transfer thru the frame. We do a lot of shoulder season camping and the metal frame around the slider windows were a major source of moisture in cold weather.
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