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Old 06-29-2014, 09:44 AM   #1
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Windows: Opening versus Non-Opening

For those still in the planning stage of buying their Escape, I thought I would re-post this picture to help with subject option.

As can be seen from the picture, there is a tremendous loss of light and view when choosing an opening window, regardless if it is a vertical pop-out or horizontal slider. For my trailer, I had four opening windows, one in each corner, plus the (screen) door and the very powerful Maxx fan to provide adequate ventilation. I seriously questioned the advantage of one more opening window so opted for a non-opener above my sink. I'm glad I did but others may chose not to go that route.

Another point to consider is that the opening window on the front passenger side of my trailer does not fully open as the awning arm is in the way; this is probably not an issue with the larger trailers (or with slider openers). In retrospect, I would have gone with a non-opener but I do crack it open at night (barely) to reduce/eliminate condensation, so maybe it wasn't a wasted expense after all.
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Old 06-29-2014, 09:55 AM   #2
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We appreciate the awning opening Windows in the bathroom and the kitchen. The opening Windows provide ventilation when it is raining and the awning is closed do to wind.
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Old 06-29-2014, 10:45 AM   #3
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opening Windows in the bathroom a.
Some question the need for the opening window in the bathroom with the fan etc. We didn't and are really glad to have it, both for ventilation and passing the hose through for rinsing the black water tank.

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Old 06-29-2014, 12:25 PM   #4
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When we got our 19 there was no bathroom window available and only a "closed" window for the kitchen. We just had the BR window added and replaced the kitchen window with one that opens(at the bottom only). We are glad to have made both changes.

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Old 06-29-2014, 01:48 PM   #5
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We like the opening window in the kitchen area of our 15B. With the Maxxfan on, there's a nice breeze from the window up through the overhead fan. It carries any cooking odors to the outside.
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I had four opening windows, one in each corner, plus the (screen) door and the very powerful Maxx fan to provide adequate ventilation. I seriously questioned the advantage of one more opening window so opted for a non-opener above my sink.
I am in agreement with this, Karen. If you can't get adequate ventilation in our small trailers from this setup, something is wrong.

I have never run a hose into my toilet yet, and sure don't think I would want to do it through a window either. Is there not a screen on this window?
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Old 07-02-2014, 08:50 AM   #7
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We are considering an opening style window for our '19'. I believe this would be the only window completely covered by the awning, and therefore would be great ventilation when it's raining.

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I chose a non-opener over the sink for two reasons, scientific (will do little if anything to add to the airflow with six other options including the Mighty Maxx) and monetary (save a few shekels). The kitchen on the 15 is on the driver's side so the awning didn't enter into the equation for me--and wouldn't have anyway as I've had the pop-out window open on the driver's side in the rain without issue.

I posted the side-by-side pic of the two options in a same-size window simply to show the huge difference in view and light, something I hadn't even considered when making the build sheet. It was truly an eye-opener on my initial camping trip. There are pros and cons to each choice--this was just one more pro for the non-opener that most people wouldn't have considered.
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Old 07-02-2014, 10:01 AM   #9
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If you are getting the added insulation/dual pane window option, the opening window is not available in dual pane. We have the opening window in the bathroom (for increased ventilation) and the non-opening window over the kitchen sink (to maintain the insulation factor.) The bathroom can sure get cold in the middle of the night! We are happy with our choices
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Having a window that you can open under the awning sounds like a good idea. However, my experience is to never leave the awning open overnight. There have been too many nights when I had to get up and roll up the awnings because of a storm or strong winds. That awning is like a big sail, the best place for it is rolled up next to your trailer. I never leave home with it out.

A better solution on the 19 is to install Maxxair vents on at least one window. I used the curbside front, no problem with the awning arm interfering. With the Maxxfan and the vent you can create a nice air flow.

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We are fortunate that where we camp around here, there is little issue with wind, and our awing is opened first thing, and closed just before we leave. I have been at a couple windy campgrounds where we did roll it up, at least most of the way.

Those window vents look like a good idea, Paul. I had seen them before, but forgot about them.
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Old 07-02-2014, 10:32 AM   #12
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With regard to view and in a similar vein, I realized after several nights of camping this past year that I never opened the emergency exit window (too many other options), so I permanently removed the screen. Wow, what a difference.
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I just saw a video where one escape owner drilled a few holes in the handel so that it could be held open to allow air in/out.

With the above mod, having a slide in the rear becomes less important. I might forgo our sliding window in the rear next time
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Nice find,one will find its way to our escape soon

Amazon also has them:
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I have never run a hose into my toilet yet, and sure don't think I would want to do it through a window either. Is there not a screen on this window?

Now that's funny!!!
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With the above mod, having a slide in the rear becomes less important. I might forgo our sliding window in the rear next time
Was this an option?
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Nice find,one will find its way to our escape soon

Amazon also has them:
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Do you think they're attractive? If not, can they come off and on easily?
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Do you think they're attractive? If not, can they come off and on easily?
I certainly do not find them unattractive from the exterior (and, in fact, find them rather sleek looking) but would be curious as to how much light they block. It would be great to see a picture from the interior.
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I've got the old style, front rock guard with the sliding (open) front window. When it rains, right at the opening's edge, water drips inside. This might be the answer.
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I have installed several of the window Maxair on other units, it involves drilling holes into your frame. Of the 2 installed, one leaked where the screw holes were. I removed it and plugged the holes, I still have it and another new one in the box in the garage. If I were to do it on my Escape, I'd use VHB tape and skip the hole part.
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