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09-12-2021, 03:32 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2019
Location: Boulder, Colorado
Trailer: 2020 Escape 5.0TA "Zen"
Posts: 1,390
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I am glad I own an Escape. I worked in Elkhart IN.
Here is what the dealers are saying about RV quality coming out of Elkhart Indiana.
https://www.rvtravel.com/pathetic-qu...oducing-1017b/
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09-12-2021, 03:51 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2020
Location: East of Austin, Texas
Trailer: 2021 Escape 5.0 / 2022 F150 SuperCab
Posts: 2,903
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Thanks for posting, an interesting read.
There's some mighty rich irony in the closing paragraph ( must read the article first) ...
...“Faced with many of the same kinds of supply chain and labor issues plaguing most industries over the past year, the RV industry has overcome these challenges and produced a record number of RVs month after month,” said Jeff Rutherford, President & CEO of Airxcel and RV Industry Association Chairman.
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09-12-2021, 04:16 PM
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Site Team
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Portland, Oregon
Trailer: 2014 Escape 5.0 TA
Posts: 11,044
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I read an article yesterday "How to Pick The Best RV." THESE are the brands the article said to stay away from:
Thor Hurricane
Gulf Stream
Forest River
Coachmen
Fleetwood
Holiday Rambler
Keystone
Winnebago
Coleman
Jayco
Itasca
Airstream
Champion
Dutchmen
Newmar
Tiffin
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Donna D.
Ten Forward
2014 Escape 5.0TA
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09-12-2021, 04:47 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: St. Thomas not BVI., Ontario
Trailer: 2014 Escape 5.0TA / 2016 Ram Eco Diesel 4X4
Posts: 8,038
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Donna D.
I read an article yesterday "How to Pick The Best RV." THESE are the brands the article said to stay away from:
Thor Hurricane
Gulf Stream
Forest River
Coachmen
Fleetwood
Holiday Rambler
Keystone
Winnebago
Coleman
Jayco
Itasca
Airstream
Champion
Dutchmen
Newmar
Tiffin
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Hi: Donna D... Almost everyone on that list Thor owns!!! They now own Airxcel too!!! Alf
escape artist N.S. of Lake Erie
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09-12-2021, 05:00 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2020
Location: St. Louis, Missouri
Trailer: "Side Effect" 2022 21C
Posts: 1,371
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Interesting about current products but the travel trailer world has always be a bunch of cheap junk with a few good things in the mix.
Hopefully Escape Trailer doesn't decide to keep pace with their manufacturing counterparts and over produce exceeding their limit of acceptable quality just to pump out more units.
My GCD is Oct 2023. Maybe things will improve a bit by then.
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09-12-2021, 05:01 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2020
Location: St. Louis, Missouri
Trailer: "Side Effect" 2022 21C
Posts: 1,371
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Donna D.
I read an article yesterday "How to Pick The Best RV." THESE are the brands the article said to stay away from:
Thor Hurricane
Gulf Stream
Forest River
Coachmen
Fleetwood
Holiday Rambler
Keystone
Winnebago
Coleman
Jayco
Itasca
Airstream
Champion
Dutchmen
Newmar
Tiffin
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That's pretty much covers every unit being produced with the exception of Escape, Casita and Oliver.
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09-12-2021, 05:03 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Edmonton, Alberta
Trailer: 1979 Boler B1700
Posts: 14,935
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Donna D.
I read an article yesterday "How to Pick The Best RV." THESE are the brands the article said to stay away from:
Thor Hurricane
Gulf Stream
Forest River
Coachmen
Fleetwood
Holiday Rambler
Keystone
Winnebago
Coleman
Jayco
Itasca
Airstream
Champion
Dutchmen
Newmar
Tiffin
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So... all RVs? The main reason for any other brand to be missing from that list is that there are few enough of them produced that they don't register in someone's "complaint counter".
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09-12-2021, 05:04 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Edmonton, Alberta
Trailer: 1979 Boler B1700
Posts: 14,935
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Quote:
Originally Posted by WillyB
That's pretty much covers every unit being produced with the exception of Escape, Casita and Oliver.
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... and dozens, perhaps hundreds, of other similarly low-production brands.
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09-12-2021, 05:39 PM
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Site Team
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Portland, Oregon
Trailer: 2014 Escape 5.0 TA
Posts: 11,044
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To be fair, each of those brands had different issues. Keystone was electrical. Watch those failing slide motors. Another was plumbing... filling the underbelly with fresh water was common. At yet another.... leaking roofs!
This was Airstream
Most common issue: Brakes and trailer hitch problems
Airstream is iconic, but even this brand has its share of troubles. While not as common as with many of the other majors, they are worth paying attention to when buying. Improper welding has been known to cause separation of the tow ball and the coupler, and there are recalls around trailer brakes locking up.
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Ten Forward
2014 Escape 5.0TA
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09-12-2021, 05:44 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Edmonton, Alberta
Trailer: 1979 Boler B1700
Posts: 14,935
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Donna D.
To be fair, each of those brands had different issues. Keystone was electrical...
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There are many electrical problems with Escapes discussed in this forum, but Escape doesn't make the list based on them... perhaps because the list is based on counting anecdotes about issues, not any objective assessment of verified problems in proportion to production.
It's good to have a reference of common problem areas by brand. I don't see any value in "don't buy this brand" lists.
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09-12-2021, 05:48 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Burlington Twp., New Jersey
Trailer: 2010 Escape 19
Posts: 7,146
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Centex
Thanks for posting, an interesting read.
There's some mighty rich irony in the closing paragraph ( must read the article first) ...
...“Faced with many of the same kinds of supply chain and labor issues plaguing most industries over the past year, the RV industry has overcome these challenges and produced a record number of RVs month after month,” said Jeff Rutherford, President & CEO of Airxcel and RV Industry Association Chairman.
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Jeff should spend some time investigating complaints and recalling the Suburban SDS2 cooktop. I don’t think anyone who inquired with Airxcel/Suburban even heard back from the company. At least no one posted that they did.
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09-12-2021, 06:30 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: White Bird, Idaho
Trailer: 2018 Escape 19, "Zen Purple", 2017 4X4 Chevy Colorado/Duramax
Posts: 405
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I read this article yesterday and had the very same thought! I’m happy I not only have an Escape, but that I got one when I did. And that my beloved “Zen Purple” has been mostly trouble-free so far, after 3 seasons of camping. They say happiness is not getting what you want, it’s wanting what you have… if so I must be a happy camper!
I think most everyone lucky enough to have one feels the same! That was a sobering article, for sure.
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09-12-2021, 06:48 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2020
Location: East of Austin, Texas
Trailer: 2021 Escape 5.0 / 2022 F150 SuperCab
Posts: 2,903
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rubicon327
Jeff should spend some time investigating complaints and recalling the Suburban SDS2 cooktop. I don’t think anyone who inquired with Airxcel/Suburban even heard back from the company. At least no one posted that they did.
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That a big part of the irony, IMO - clearly Jeff (and apparently both the corporation he leads and the trade association he represents) measures 'success' in production numbers, not any measure of post-production product performance or support.
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09-12-2021, 06:59 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: Whidbey Island, Washington
Trailer: 2020 Escape 17B "Voyager"
Posts: 2,681
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What irritates me reading this is that they keep selling crap, knowing it will have problems, and only tell the customer about potential problems getting parts or repairs after they have significant problems. Like it is all someone else's problem and not their problem for selling units they know are defective.
Unfortunately, that's also the way Escape deals with problems these days.
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09-12-2021, 08:52 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2018
Location: St Petersburg, Florida
Trailer: Past time to update- canceled my 5.0
Posts: 165
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Donna D.
To be fair, each of those brands had different issues. Keystone was electrical. Watch those failing slide motors. Another was plumbing... filling the underbelly with fresh water was common. At yet another.... leaking roofs!
This was Airstream
Most common issue: Brakes and trailer hitch problems
Airstream is iconic, but even this brand has its share of troubles. While not as common as with many of the other majors, they are worth paying attention to when buying. Improper welding has been known to cause separation of the tow ball and the coupler, and there are recalls around trailer brakes locking up.
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Wasn’t Airstream bought out by Thor as well?
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09-12-2021, 08:57 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2018
Location: St Petersburg, Florida
Trailer: Past time to update- canceled my 5.0
Posts: 165
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobbie54
What irritates me reading this is that they keep selling crap, knowing it will have problems, and only tell the customer about potential problems getting parts or repairs after they have significant problems. Like it is all someone else's problem and not their problem for selling units they know are defective.
Unfortunately, that's also the way Escape deals with problems these days.
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I totally agree that RV dealers have made a load of money over the past year and a half knowingly selling “crap” products. However, people continue to buy them. Many people do not do any research or very minimal research, so they shoulder some of the responsibility. That being said, nothing will change until people unite and legislation is passed to hold RV manufacturers accountable for slipshod quality.
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09-13-2021, 02:42 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: Tulsa, Oklahoma
Trailer: 2012 E19
Posts: 1,750
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The big RV mfrs are producing record numbers of poo piles. Their quality certainly stinks!
And they take pride in their achievement. Go figure...
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09-16-2021, 04:10 PM
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Member
Join Date: Sep 2021
Location: Knoxville, Tennessee
Trailer: 21NE 2022
Posts: 35
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Quality issues in ETI trailers?
We just retired and looking at Escape trailers so some comments here about the quality even at ETI were troubling. Given that any trailer towed down the road wil have issues, how would you owners compare the quality of Escapes with other trailers?
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09-16-2021, 04:13 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Central, Pennsylvania
Trailer: Escape#5 2022 E19
Posts: 26,268
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Some of us call them "SOB" for some other brand.......
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Sometime life gets in the way of living.......
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09-16-2021, 04:35 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2021
Location: Cold Spring, Kentucky
Trailer: 2022 21C + 2021 F-150 PowerBoost 4x4
Posts: 563
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GTR guy
We just retired and looking at Escape trailers so some comments here about the quality even at ETI were troubling. Given that any trailer towed down the road wil have issues, how would you owners compare the quality of Escapes with other trailers?
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We have yet to step foot in an Escape trailer (although we hope to accept a local Ambassador’s offer to see theirs as soon as our schedule allows). We’ve gravitated to Escape mainly because we want the longevity of molded fiberglass.
We’re hopeful that it’s a quality trailer, of course, but having walked through and been disappointed with the feel of some other brands that are supposed to be the higher end of their class (i.e., Winnebago and Grand Design), we’ve come to the conclusion that RV quality is relative.
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