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07-18-2019, 03:16 AM
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#41
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Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2018
Location: Houston, Texas
Trailer: "SOJOURNER" a 2019 17B
Posts: 486
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I'm ordering the 17B this week and appreciate your providing the rationale for every option you chose - or did not choose. It's really helping me with the decision-making process. Two questions here:
What benefit did you find in rotating the stove? (Likely obvious to many, but I'm a newbie, so …)
Did ETI cut up and install your 5-hook Umbra? (I'm a bit leery of doing this myself.)
Thanks!
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07-18-2019, 08:37 AM
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#42
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Senior Member
Join Date: May 2015
Location: Rangeley, Maine
Trailer: 2005 Escape 17B Sold 2016. 2016 Escape 19 Sold 2019. 2019 Escape 21 picked up Sep 2019
Posts: 173
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Quote:
Originally Posted by brightday
I'm ordering the 17B this week and appreciate your providing the rationale for every option you chose - or did not choose. It's really helping me with the decision-making process. Two questions here:
What benefit did you find in rotating the stove? (Likely obvious to many, but I'm a newbie, so …)
Did ETI cut up and install your 5-hook Umbra? (I'm a bit leery of doing this myself.)
Thanks!
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Re: stove... to get a bit more counter space, I believe.
Re: Umbra... Yes, they cut ours into two pieces and installed them. Looks great. $25 charge for that.
Congratulations on your 17B!
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07-18-2019, 09:18 AM
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#43
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Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: Whidbey Island, Washington
Trailer: 2020 Escape 17B "Voyager"
Posts: 2,686
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I'd go with a one burner stove if one existed- I don't think I've ever used two burners and I have 3. Makes sense to reduce the footprint as much as possible.
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07-18-2019, 09:25 AM
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#44
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Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Burlington Twp., New Jersey
Trailer: 2010 Escape 19
Posts: 7,146
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobbie54
I'd go with a one burner stove if one existed- I don't think I've ever used two burners and I have 3. Makes sense to reduce the footprint as much as possible.
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Talk about saving space. Integrated sink and one propane burner with a flush closing lid. This would make a world of difference in a 17. I wonder if ETI would entertain installing.
https://pantherrvproducts.com/dometi...RoC6fMQAvD_BwE
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07-18-2019, 09:38 AM
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#45
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Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: Port Townsend, Washington
Trailer: 2010 17B “MATT”, then 2017 19 “Lilly”
Posts: 1,584
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17 Build-one year later
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Originally Posted by rubicon327
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That is a slick unit!
Our 17B felt like it has more countertop space than our 19, if you use the top of the wardrobe as bonus counter. It’s the one difference that makes my wife insist that the 17B was bigger, despite every other measurable dimension stating otherwise. Countertop space in a 19 is tight, particularly with an oven.
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07-18-2019, 10:38 AM
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#46
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Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: North Vancouver, British Columbia
Trailer: 2009 Escape 17B 2020 Toyota Highlander XLE
Posts: 17,136
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I'm not certain that any useful space is gained by rotating the stove - the key word being 'useful'. I've got the three-burner and have never used all three burners. Most of our cooking is done outside. If we have to cook inside due to weather, it's probably a one-pot meal.
I use the 3M Command hooks which can be easily removed and moved. I have placed hooks where I thought they would be useful, only to take them down. Think about what would hang on the hook and how that item might get in the way.
No need to recommend you get air-conditioning.
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07-19-2019, 09:33 AM
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#47
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Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2018
Location: Houston, Texas
Trailer: "SOJOURNER" a 2019 17B
Posts: 486
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Thanks so much for all of your thoughts!
I hope to travel mostly full-time and plan to cook most of my meals, as celiac disease means that eating even a little gluten is a no-no for me, and few restaurants can guarantee gluten free meals. No matter, because I enjoy my own cooking and am equipping my 17B with additional batteries/solar/etc. so as to easily manage the extra energy load even while boondocking. I'll be cooking inside more often than not so will need that second burner, but wouldn't opt for a third, as I'll mostly be cooking only for myself. I'll have plenty of space to prep, as the smaller front diner will be my permanent bed; unless I have company, the back diner surface will remain available night and day. As I'll be full-timing, Gbaglo, you're probably correct in your observation about placement of hooks. Command hooks are a great invention!
Getting excited about the new life ahead!
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07-19-2019, 10:03 AM
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#48
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Senior Member
Join Date: May 2013
Location: ..., New Mexico
Trailer: 2013 Esc19/'14 Silvrado
Posts: 4,193
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Pretty sink, ugly price.
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11-19-2019, 07:58 PM
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#49
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Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Sharpsburg, Georgia
Trailer: 2005 Scamp 16 SD (sold), 2020 Escape 19
Posts: 261
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dfandrews
17A model porta-potty provisions and grey water connections:
The portapotty is on a converted kitchen cutting board, with furniture glides underneath.
The under sink photo shows the entire drain plumbing, running to the hose connection on the exterior, then to the bucket. We use a screen, so no food scraps go down the drain.
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Thanks you for your reviews, they are very helpful for planning purposes.
I like how you have the porta-potti set up, but as you mentioned later, newer ones might be taller. Is the side wardrobe wide and deep enough that you could slide a porta-potti into the bottom section?
Thanks,
John and Marilyn
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11-19-2019, 10:08 PM
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#50
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Senior Member
Join Date: Nov 2017
Location: Placerville, California
Trailer: 2018 Escape 17A double dinette
Posts: 1,520
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in my 17A the potty lives by day under my half wide front bed with a curtain across the gap between the benches.at night I put it in the doorway on a exercise platform that raises it up almost to the level of the bench. the platform lives next to the potty under the bed with a bin for shoes on top of it. can be 4 or 6 inches tall. my portapotti is not the smallest one...it's a bit wider in both side to side and front to back...more stable.
https://www.google.com/shopping/prod...SABEgLe3_D_BwE
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11-20-2019, 06:33 AM
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#51
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Member
Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: Glenelg Center, Ontario
Trailer: 2010 Escape 19’ Sold in 2023
Posts: 87
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sclifrickson
That is a slick unit!
Our 17B felt like it has more countertop space than our 19, if you use the top of the wardrobe as bonus counter. It’s the one difference that makes my wife insist that the 17B was bigger, despite every other measurable dimension stating otherwise. Countertop space in a 19 is tight, particularly with an oven.
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Hello Sclifrickson,
May I zero in on your comment / comparison btw 17b counter and your 19 with 3 burner ST-oven combo. Would you or anyone else be able to tape measure or estimate the difference on a 19 btw the standard two burner and optional 3 burner usable counter space please?
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11-20-2019, 10:57 AM
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#52
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Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Ventura County, California
Trailer: 2015 Escape 17A
Posts: 2,347
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Radar1
Thanks you for your reviews, they are very helpful for planning purposes.
I like how you have the porta-potti set up, but as you mentioned later, newer ones might be taller. Is the side wardrobe wide and deep enough that you could slide a porta-potti into the bottom section?
Thanks,
John and Marilyn
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John and Marilyn,
It would work with my 17A and old, smaller porta-potty, but perhaps not with the newer potties that appear to be larger.
BJ (h2owmn) had to deal with this with her 2nd gen. 17A.
My best advice to you is, armed with porta-potti overall dimensions (Width, Depth, Height), email ETI with your specific questions. I'd probably email Karl directly.
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11-20-2019, 11:17 AM
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#53
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Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Phoenix, Arizona
Trailer: 2015 Escape 19 "Seventy Degrees"
Posts: 3,495
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We’ve had both the 17b and now 19. We don’t follow the size comments, the 19 is significantly more room in all aspects. Front dinette, bathroom, rear bed, aisle space, etc are significantly bigger. Not sure on direct counter measurements, but it certainly seems larger, especially with the counter extension on the door side that is a direct extension to the kitchen counter. I know we have the stove rotated 90 degrees on the 19 and ETI said there wasn’t enough room to do that on the 17 when asked. Never personally would order the oven in anything under the 21, do they even offer oven on the 17?
We enjoyed our 17b, nice trailer, but certainly is too tight for where we are heading to FT/PT.
If I’m at storage today I’ll pull the 19 counter measurements for you.
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11-20-2019, 12:40 PM
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#54
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Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Ventura County, California
Trailer: 2015 Escape 17A
Posts: 2,347
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Greg A
........I know we have the stove rotated 90 degrees on the 19 and ETI said there wasn’t enough room to do that on the 17 when asked. Never personally would order the oven in anything under the 21, do they even offer oven on the 17?
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The 17 has the furnace installed under the stove, so the oven is not an option.
We did have the stove turned 90°, to provide 4" more counter space, but that was a 1st gen E17. With the current stove, width dimensions or the configuration of features may preclude rotation.
Edit: I just looked at ETI's website, and the photos for the 17 show a rotated stove.
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11-20-2019, 01:19 PM
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#55
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Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Phoenix, Arizona
Trailer: 2015 Escape 19 "Seventy Degrees"
Posts: 3,495
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Good info, Don, maybe the new recessed stove has the room to rotate it on the 17, but with it being recessed not sure if that is a big deal.
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11-20-2019, 01:26 PM
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#56
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Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Ventura County, California
Trailer: 2015 Escape 17A
Posts: 2,347
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Greg,
In a 17 with its small counter, we feel that every little bit helps.
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11-20-2019, 03:56 PM
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#57
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Member
Join Date: Sep 2018
Location: Pitt Meadows, British Columbia
Trailer: 21C 2023. Previous 2019 17B
Posts: 80
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The stove in our 17B came sideways. I think it's standard (burners are front to back, knobs an the left towards the sink).
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11-20-2019, 04:43 PM
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#58
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Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Sharpsburg, Georgia
Trailer: 2005 Scamp 16 SD (sold), 2020 Escape 19
Posts: 261
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Greg A
We’ve had both the 17b and now 19. We don’t follow the size comments, the 19 is significantly more room in all aspects. Front dinette, bathroom, rear bed, aisle space, etc are significantly bigger. Not sure on direct counter measurements, but it certainly seems larger, especially with the counter extension on the door side that is a direct extension to the kitchen counter. I know we have the stove rotated 90 degrees on the 19 and ETI said there wasn’t enough room to do that on the 17 when asked. Never personally would order the oven in anything under the 21, do they even offer oven on the 17?
We enjoyed our 17b, nice trailer, but certainly is too tight for where we are heading to FT/PT.
If I’m at storage today I’ll pull the 19 counter measurements for you.
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Thanks to all for any thoughts on the 17' models. We like both the 17A and B models (although half of us would like the B better for bath). The 19 surely would provide even more room for us, but I'm thinking the 17' models would fit our needs (and our kids driveways) better than the 19.
We would be moving up from a 16' Scamp (one foot-itis?) so the 52" bed would seem like a monster upgrade compared to the 44" bed we now share, and the versions of the 17B with the bench in place of the wardrobe seems like it would be much more comfortable than the side dinette we have in the Scamp. The almost double fresh and black water capacity of the 17B would be better for boon-docking that what our Scamp provides.
Still in the deciding and exploring stage.
John and Marilyn
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11-20-2019, 05:37 PM
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#59
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Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: North Vancouver, British Columbia
Trailer: 2009 Escape 17B 2020 Toyota Highlander XLE
Posts: 17,136
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Radar1
the versions of the 17B with the bench in place of the wardrobe seems like it would be much more comfortable than the side dinette we have in the Scamp. John and Marilyn
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The top of that wardrobe is most useful for kitchen prep ( chopping veg, etc. ) and as a staging spot for bringing stuff in and out of the trailer.
I know some put drawers in the wardrobe, but I don't like folding clothes and find it easier to grab a couple handfuls of shirts and jackets on hangers and carry them out to the trailer.
I've already got lots of under-bench storage that's kind of annoying to get stuff out of ( move the cushions, put them somewhere, lift the lid, grab whatever and put everything back ).
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11-20-2019, 06:17 PM
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#60
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Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Phoenix, Arizona
Trailer: 2015 Escape 19 "Seventy Degrees"
Posts: 3,495
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Hi John and Marilyn,
We moved up from a 13 Scamp to the 17B so felt pretty glorious. Good thing to spend time exploring the options. If you can get to a gathering it is always very helpful to spend some time speaking with the owners and walking through the trailers.
Keep us posted on where you land.
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