Another price increase...

[thumper-tx]

Two year backlog. Price goes up to meet demand. I hate to point this out, but that is how capitalism works.

[TPABrahma]

I bailed and asked for my deposit back because of these increases. I was really excited when I put the deposit down on a 21C on 12/31.2021. Now, the Escape is priced into a range with competition where it doesn't belong, one where immediate availability, better quality, better parts availability and better overall design it has to contend with, and also in competition with its own used market and that of Airstream. They blew it, and made it an easy decision to leave. And the delivery dates moving up over eight months proves others are bailing too, because there is no way production rate had that massive of an increase with all the staffing and parts shortages they proclaim. Too bad.

[YakRV]

Originally Posted by TPABrahma

Now, the Escape is priced into a range with competition where it doesn't belong, one where immediate availability, better quality, better parts availability and better overall design it has to contend with

This isn’t meant to be confrontational, but I’m curious to know what competition brand(s) you’re referring to here. Thanks.

[Doug2000]

Yeah, who is Escapes competition? I don’t think anyone matches Escape Quality, Value, and Longevity

After an hour on the Airstream Forums, I decided they were only marginally better than Forest River.

Ps, I have owned 7 trailers, most of which was leaky junk..

[tdf-texas]

Every time my wife and I go to a rally where a Bigfoot 25RQ owner is letting people look at their trailer, it's really tough not selling the Escape and buying one.

[YakRV]

Originally Posted by tdf-texas

Every time my wife and I go to a rally where a Bigfoot 25RQ owner is letting people look at their trailer, it's really tough not selling the Escape and buying one.

Impressive trailers, for sure. High price tag and width takes them off our list though. Price tag takes the equally impressive Olivers off our list as well.

[oldwave]

Originally Posted by tdf-texas

Every time my wife and I go to a rally where a Bigfoot 25RQ owner is letting people look at their trailer, it's really tough not selling the Escape and buying one.

Ours is to be delivered in September.

[oldwave]

Originally Posted by YakRV

Impressive trailers, for sure. High price tag and width takes them off our list though. Price tag takes the equally impressive Olivers off our list as well.

It will be interesting to see the Escape 23 price when it gets released. Our camping style has gotten to the point where the interior room out weighs the other considerations. The price is high however Escape seems to be catching up. The price we paid for our 21 in 2017 is now 20,000 more. The 23 I suspect will be every bit as pricy as the Bigfoot 25. Now don't get me wrong, we loved our Escape 21and It was a great value when we bought it, had very little issues with it. We sold it to a nice couple for just a bit more than we had in it with the electrical upgrades and some other customizations, they got a great deal. They are still a decent value for the price, just not the great value they once were. This next trailer will be our last and I hope to hand it down to the kids.

[MarkinVan]

Originally Posted by oldwave

Ours is to be delivered in September.

So ballpark, around $70K US.

[oldwave]

Originally Posted by MarkinVan

So ballpark, around $70K US.

With every thing we wanted including a very price pro pride hitch 67. If we went with the equalizer it would have been around 64.

[Ron in BC]

Around here we don't have to look very far to see reasons ETI might be raising prices. This past week our gas prices reached a high never seen before. Just about everything in distribution chains has had to raise prices.

Right now rapidly increasing prices are just a brutal fact of life.

Ron

[rbryan4]

Originally Posted by Ron in BC

Around here we don't have to look very far to see reasons ETI might be raising prices. This past week our gas prices reached a high never seen before. Just about everything in distribution chains has had to raise prices.



Right now rapidly increasing prices are just a brutal fact of life.



Ron

It's true that costs are going up dramatically for all kinds of things. But the price increases for an Escape over the last couple of years have far outstripped inflation. To me that means it's now just an OK value, when it used to be an outstanding value.

[TTMartin]

Originally Posted by tdf-texas

Every time my wife and I go to a rally where a Bigfoot 25RQ owner is letting people look at their trailer, it's really tough not selling the Escape and buying one.

Originally Posted by MarkinVan

So ballpark, around $70K US.

Originally Posted by oldwave

With every thing we wanted including a very price pro pride hitch 67. If we went with the equalizer it would have been around 64.

Let's not pretend Bigfoor hasen't raised their prices too since you signed the contract for your trailer.

New 2022 Bigfoot Industries Bigfoot 2500 Series 25B25RQ MSRP:$86,826

[TTMartin]

Originally Posted by rbryan4

It's true that costs are going up dramatically for all kinds of things. But the price increases for an Escape over the last couple of years have far outstripped inflation.

Glass Fiber Reinforced Plastic aka Fiberglass is a petroleum product.
Delivery trucks run on diesel.

Brent crude oil prices:
May 4, 2020: $27.20
May, 2 2022: $107.58

A 395% increase

[cpaharley2008]

I just hope I can afford the gas out and back to pick up my new E19 later this month!!

[rbryan4]

Originally Posted by TTMartin

Glass Fiber Reinforced Plastic aka Fiberglass is a petroleum product.

Delivery trucks run on diesel.



Brent crude oil prices:

May 4, 2020: $27.20

May, 2 2022: $107.58



A 395% increase



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Respectfully, there's no one-to-one correlation between oil prices and the cost of a trailer, whether it's fiberglass or metal or whatever. And even in the example of fiberglass resin, there hasn't been a 395% increase. Even if there had been, there are numerous other parts to a trailer besides the shell.

I'd expect price increases over time as the cost for ALL component materials rises. The question is, do those prices increases reflect anywhere near the increased cost for all materials and components used.

Or as we say in Texas, Escape's gettin' awful proud of their trailers.

[TTMartin]

Originally Posted by rbryan4

Respectfully, there's no one-to-one correlation between oil prices and the cost of a trailer, whether it's fiberglass or metal or whatever. And even in the example of fiberglass resin, there hasn't been a 395% increase. Even if there had been, there are numerous other parts to a trailer besides the shell.

I'd expect price increases over time as the cost for ALL component materials rises. The question is, do those prices increases reflect anywhere near the increased cost for all materials and components used.

You're correct it is not one to one. Escape's prices have not risen 395%. Escape's trailer prices have only risen a small fraction (about 1/16th) of that. Delivery which is much more directly linked to petroleum prices has only increased 1/6 of that.

Originally Posted by rbryan4

It's true that costs are going up dramatically for all kinds of things. But the price increases for an Escape over the last couple of years have far outstripped inflation.

Sorry, Escape's pricing isn't far outstripping inflation. I suspect their profit margin has remained pretty much the same, or maybe even slightly less as a percentage of the price.

[Fender]

A year ago, we looked at a handful of stick built trailers locally. One was a Coleman Clipper - the type that has the pop up tent part in the back.
Basically a bed on wheels (that's how the salesman described it!)- the "stove" was a grill that attached on the outside, tiny bar fridge and a porta potty that slid under the bed.
Not much of a trailer but kind of interesting and priced at $17,000 (CAN$).
I saw the same trailer advertised in yesterday's newspaper "on sale" at $27,000. A 59% increase in 12 months.

It makes me think the Escape is still a pretty decent value. So I think you'll pay through the nose for any major purchase right now and each individual has to decide whether to buy now or wait in hopes that prices come down.
Once you reach a certain age waiting can be a risky strategy!

[Chasing Trials]

Originally Posted by TTMartin

Glass Fiber Reinforced Plastic aka Fiberglass is a petroleum product.
Delivery trucks run on diesel.

Brent crude oil prices:
May 4, 2020: $27.20
May, 2 2022: $107.58

A 395% increase

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Right, and I've been through a few of these high gas prices hikes, to not get sucked up into buying as big as maybe I would have liked to. If I hope to own my Escape for say 20 yrs?......

[Doug2000]

Originally Posted by rbryan4

It's true that costs are going up dramatically for all kinds of things. But the price increases for an Escape over the last couple of years have far outstripped inflation. To me that means it's now just an OK value, when it used to be an outstanding value.

Supply and Demand, I would raise prices too.