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Old 02-11-2018, 10:16 AM   #1
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Anyone tried a Hartland tire?

Was at my local Discount Tire the other day buying some truck tires and asked about both the Carlisle Sport Trails (already on the TA) and the Goodyear Endurance tires and the feller tells me to look at Hartland trailer tires. He said they were an upgrade over the Carlisle and on a par with the Goodyear. So I looked up all three on their website when I got home and they rank them good, better, best with the Hartland at better and Goodyear at best. Anyone heard or know anything more about these tires? Discount Tire seems to be the exclusive retailer for them, and I believe they are made in China....
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So, Discount Tire recommends their house brand eh?
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Old 02-11-2018, 11:41 AM   #3
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Hummm, if you're traveling and need to replace one.. or maybe two tires, is it going to be fairly easy to find a Discount Tire store or a Goodyear tire dealer?
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D1 Load Range, Speed rated to 87 mph, max PSI 65. Seems a decent tire from the specs, but I've no experience with it. By the way, not that their ratings matter, but Discount Tire rates the Carlisle Radial Trail HD (the stock ones on Escapes) as "best", not "good" - higher than the Hartland. The dealer may have been confusing the Carlisle Radial Trail HD with the Carlisle Sport Trail L/H. They carry both. Based on their own ratings, the Hartland is not an upgrade from the stock Carlisle, although it does have a higher load range.
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I expect they make more profit on their own house brand.
Like Costco and Kirkland.
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Another interesting thing I've not noticed before. Discount Tire offers the Carlisle Radial Trail HD in a C1 load range (ST205 /75 R15 101M C1 BSB) and in a D1 load range (ST205 /75 R15 107M D1 BSB) for the same price - $80.
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Another interesting thing I've not noticed before. Discount Tire offers the Carlisle Radial Trail HD in a C1 load range (ST205 /75 R15 101M C1 BSB) and in a D1 load range (ST205 /75 R15 107M D1 BSB) for the same price - $80.
Saw that also on Amazon when we're looking for tires . Pat
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Yikes, Amazon has them for $53! And it ainít like Iím driving the TA to the tire place to mount them, just the rims for balancing...thatís a pretty good price...
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Yikes, Amazon has them for $53! And it ain’t like I’m driving the TA to the tire place to mount them, just the rims for balancing...that’s a pretty good price...
Bought our tires at Camping World on sale , went picked them up .Took 2 tires at a time to Costco had them install and balance etc. brought home installed then took the other 2 to Costco . Didn't want to move trailer so that worked for us . Pat
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Hah, Iíll probably have to do the same, as more than a few of my jack stands are under the 1966 truck project currently!
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Hah, Iíll probably have to do the same, as more than a few of my jack stands are under the 1966 truck project currently!
A Ford ? Had a 1963 F-100 with a 292 and a 3 speed column shift . That engine was so easy to work on . Climb in and sit and do your thing . Could actually see the ground . Pat
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Yikes, Amazon has them for $53! And it ainít like Iím driving the TA to the tire place to mount them, just the rims for balancing...thatís a pretty good price...
As low as $50 for the C1 load range ones. Yes, quite a bit lower. If Discount's price included the road hazard certificates it might not be too bad, but it doesn't.
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Discount Tire offers the Carlisle Radial Trail HD in a C1 load range (ST205 /75 R15 101M C1 BSB) and in a D1 load range (ST205 /75 R15 107M D1 BSB) for the same price - $80.
"C1" and "D1" don't mean anything, except that Discount Tire still has a problem with their software which parses specs and presents them on their web site. The load ranges are just "C" and "D". Because Discount has had a lot of these problems - including interpreting the "R" for radial as speed index R - I wouldn't trust the displayed load range or speed index. In this case, the load and speed index portion of the descriptions seems to have survived, and they do indicate capacities consistent with load ranges C and D.
  • "ST205 /75 R15 101M C1 BSB"
    • size: ST205/75R15
    • load index: 101 [1,819 lb or 825 kg]
    • speed index: M [81 mph or 130 km/h]
    • "C1" - Load Range C [1820 lb @ 50 PSI]
    • "BSB" - some Discount Tire notation, perhaps blackwall and something
  • "ST205 /75 R15 107M D1 BSB"
    • size: ST205/75R15
    • load index: 107 [2,149 lb or 975 kg]
    • speed index: M [81 mph or 130 km/h]
    • "D1" - Load Range D [2150 lb @ 65 PSI]
    • "BSB" - some Discount Tire notation, perhaps blackwall and something
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Old 02-11-2018, 10:42 PM   #14
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"C1" and "D1" don't mean anything, except that Discount Tire still has a problem with their software which parses specs and presents them on their web site. The load ranges are just "C" and "D".
While not necessarily an industry standard, they do mean something. Discount Tire uses the number in C1, C2, D1, D2, etc. as an indicator of the max load carrying psi. The number 1 is higher pressure, and 2 is lower.I actually like the way they state it, because you can tell at a glance not just the load range, but the tire pressure used with max load.
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While not necessarily an industry standard, they do mean something. Discount Tire uses the C1, C2, D1, D2, etc. as indicators of the max load carrying psi. The number 1 is higher pressure, and 2 is lower.
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Just looks like a load of crap from Discount to me.

"Ply Ratings" mean nothing, because no tire actually has those numbers of plies; they are only old terminology for what is now called the Load Range, and in their table correspond directly to the real (no "1" or "2") Load Range.

In a size and type for which Load Range D tires have their maximum capacity at an inflation pressure of 65 PSI, every Load Range D tire of the same size and type will have the same inflation pressure, so there will be no "D2" tires, and the extra digit doesn't help in comparing tires. It is true that the maximum inflation pressure for the same Load Range varies by tire type, but there is no point in trying to build that into some extended scale, and if an intelligent person were doing that they would just add the pressure: C50 for Load Range C with a maximum inflation pressure of 50 PSI, and so on.

Try to find two ST205/75R15 Load Range C tires, one with a maximum inflation pressure of 50 PSI (Discount's "C1") and one with a a maximum inflation pressure of 35 PSI (Discount's "C2"). Nope, there's no "C2" - they all have 50 PSI maximum inflation. Why make life more complicated than necessary?

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I actually like the way they state it, because you can tell at a glance not just the load rating, but the tire pressure used for max load.
Okay... my motorhome tires are load range with a maximum inflation pressure of 110 PSI. Is that G1? G2? G3? G0? And if there was a number after G, how would you know the corresponding pressure? Memorizing Discount's "special" table seems pointless.
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I agree it's not a standard. My point was mainly that the number isn't a formatting issue on the website, but corresponds to their chart - however silly it might be. Discount Tire isn't the only one that uses this number either. Some tire manufacturers do as well.

As for the ply rating, they use it as an equivalent, and explain that it's not the standard used:
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I agree it's not a standard. My point was mainly that the number isn't a formatting issue on the website, but corresponds to their chart - however silly it might be. Discount Tire isn't the only one that uses this number either. Some tire manufacturers do as well.

As for the ply rating, they use it as an equivalent, and explain that it's not the standard used:
Yes, the ridiculous old "ply rating" is commonly used, by both manufacturers and retailers. It is the "C1", C2" silliness which is a Discount thing. I'll believe you that someone else does it, but I'll bet the Tire and Rim Association (which defines the standards in North America) doesn't.

I've just seen enough other problems that I don't trust Discount's web site.
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As much as I love Discount Tire, the Amazon $53 tire appears to be a D range while my original TA tires are C and getting near 5 years old. That seems to be the point that age on trailer tires is worse than wear. Come to think of it, I might be the same way, I donít look that worn out, but the age is starting break me down....like Eubie Blake said ďif Iíd known I was gonna live this long, Iíd have taken better care of myselfĒ!
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Whats the consensus on Carlisle trailer tires? they are what came on our 21, and I note they are speed rated for 80MPH whereas the Marathud's on my Casita were only rated for 65mpg.
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Whats the consensus on Carlisle trailer tires? they are what came on our 21, and I note they are speed rated for 80MPH whereas the Marathud's on my Casita were only rated for 65mpg.
Weíve got 22,000 miles on ours, John, and they are showing very little wear. Our Tire Pros carry them, and when they are ready for replacement, we have no reason to change.
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