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Old 08-01-2016, 08:48 PM   #61
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If I was getting a 21' I would prefer Charlie's cubbies. I like the idea of being able to hang coats, etc. above a couple of cubbies, rather than all cubbies.
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Old 08-01-2016, 08:48 PM   #62
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I would request that the cubbies NOT be installed and included loose with all the needed parts to install them, even if there was not an allowance for the cost. I did that with a Casita and gladly installed baskets, etc where I wanted them instead of where the maker thought I wanted them.
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Old 08-01-2016, 09:59 PM   #63
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For a "less cluttered" look, I'll bet the cubbies could be replaced by the owner with a panel, ideally covered with the same headliner material as the rest of the interior. This would be similar to the corner trim panels that Escape has always used.

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So that means they can't be deleted? Strange.
It doesn't seem strange to me, given the explanation:
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"Due to the production design changes in the 2017, 21’ Escape we have had to make the decision to add the cubbies to the Standard Features List. – We do not have any alternative as the new insulation and door option require a different method of installation."
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I also don't understand why it couldn't be deleted but then I'm not in the trailer-making business.
Fundamentally, because they are the wall covering in this area, and something needs to cover the insulation. A solution which is reasonable for an owner to install as a customization might not be practical in production, due to installation time required.

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Maybe the cubbies have become a structural part of the build.
Think surface finish, not structure.

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I would request that the cubbies NOT be installed and included loose with all the needed parts to install them, even if there was not an allowance for the cost. I did that with a Casita and gladly installed baskets, etc where I wanted them instead of where the maker thought I wanted them.
I agree that it's worth asking. Escape might not be willing to ship a trailer out without a finished wall surface, but on the other hand some buyers have custom-ordered with cabinetry omitted so there is a precedent.

Also, I'm guessing that the cubbies won't be bonded to anything, so whatever fasteners secure them could be removed to install a replacement.
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Old 08-01-2016, 10:54 PM   #64
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Having a hard time visualizing coats hanging above Charlie's 1/2 cubbie and opening the bathroom door.
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Old 08-01-2016, 11:01 PM   #65
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Having a hard time visualizing coats hanging above Charlie's 1/2 cubbie and opening the bathroom door.
Wouldn't be any different with coats hanging and no cubbies. I've seen that plenty of times.
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Old 08-01-2016, 11:07 PM   #66
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Ok, but if the coats are hanging sideways there would be no difference whether the ETI cubbie was there or not. If they are hanging perpendicular to the door that seems unrealistic.
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Old 08-01-2016, 11:20 PM   #67
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Now, I'm really confused. Why would the coats hang perpendicular? They hang straight down, next to the door.
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Old 08-01-2016, 11:27 PM   #68
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My mistake- what I mean is if coats hang flat against the curbside wall there would be no difference whether the full size cubbie was there or not. If they hang parallel to the door the would interfere with it opening.
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Old 08-01-2016, 11:35 PM   #69
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Next to the door, there's either room for Charlie's cubbies and coats, etc. hanging above OR the ETI version (no room for coats above) or nothing at all. There's not room for the ETI version and coats in the same space.
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Old 08-01-2016, 11:37 PM   #70
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My mistake- what I mean is if coats hang flat against the curbside wall there would be no difference whether the full size cubbie was there or not. If they hang parallel to the door the would interfere with it opening.
The coats hang on hooks mounted on both the bath wall and the entry door frame. Not on coat hangers.
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Old 08-02-2016, 12:21 AM   #71
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I understand, and Susan does use coat hangers on those 3M hooks on the bed wall between the bathroom. Still, that is a very narrow space where the cubbies are and s little unrealistic for coats to hang there even on hooks.
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Should not be a problem if coats are on hooks there. We did not get the cubbies and have space for shoes below. Can put coats above but don't have hooks yet. We also keep our double curtains there most of the time and they would cover the cubbies if they were there.
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Old 08-02-2016, 07:59 AM   #73
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That space is minimal, maybe 12-14" deep, a closet it is not.
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Old 08-02-2016, 01:11 PM   #74
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I understand, and Susan does use coat hangers on those 3M hooks on the bed wall between the bathroom. Still, that is a very narrow space where the cubbies are and s little unrealistic for coats to hang there even on hooks.
Don't tell that to our coats; hooks are also useful for dog leashes when it's a no-coat-needed season.
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Old 08-03-2016, 01:21 AM   #76
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You don't have any down jackets.
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Old 08-03-2016, 09:59 AM   #77
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You don't have any down jackets.
It would be even better use of space for down jackets as those things can be smooshed down into a much smaller space. Now a big heavy leather jacket, to so much.
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Old 08-03-2016, 10:46 AM   #78
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I don't think you'd like the counter extensions in the dinette if you have a table. I don't have a table, so I got 'em.
Donna, do you have a photo of your dinette extension tables to share? Thanks!
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Old 08-03-2016, 11:13 AM   #79
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Donna, do you have a photo of your dinette extension tables to share? Thanks!
I'll be going over the Ten Forward later afternoon. I'll take pictures then and post here. I didn't know they were still needed after Jim posted his link to Black Jack.
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I'll be going over the Ten Forward later afternoon. I'll take pictures then and post here. I didn't know they were still needed after Jim posted his link to Black Jack.
Sorry, didn't know that he had. Is it the same configuration as yours? Don't go to any special effort on my part. My order for the 5.0 is about 6 months away. Like you, we dine outside and just need a place for beer and chips
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