Framed windows?

[Patandlinda]

Originally Posted by sclifrickson

How do you figure? Outside of looking cooler, the frameless windows don’t visibly ooze butyl sealant in hot weather, unlike framed windows. Frameless provide a superior thermal barrier as the frame is not a direct thermal conduit from outside to inside, which means they sweat a lot less in cold weather. With the frameless setup you can open the large rear window on the trailer, unlike the framed rear window. And most obviously, the frameless windows are all-weather windows that can be used in rain or storm without soaking the trailer interior. The frameless windows offer much more than just cool looks. We’ve had both styles of windows, and prefer the frameless primarily because of their function, and secondarily for their aesthetic form.

This is getting so old now . Let's see now having 3 RV's in the last 45 years including the current trailer with sliding windows , what leaking ? What soaking of the interior ? Never happened to us . And even though we live in California , always travel and stay up North to Oregon and Washington , even in winter .. We have family there . As for large opening window in rear , the 2 sides are plenty for ventilation , one of which is a better escape window . Really don't care to open large window over my bed. Who the hell in a storm opens all their windows ? Do you not have a awning and use your roof fan ? Never had any operating problems or coming apart with the sliders . Once at a RV lot couldn't open the frameless on a new RV , the glass was stuck to the inside seal butyl is on many places on your trailer for sealing . It is a good removable sealer.
Finally , good you love your windows . Many of us love ours too , sliders . Pat

[gbaglo]

Takes a few minutes to remove oozing butyl. ETI included this scraper in the goody bag at a rally.

[sclifrickson]

Originally Posted by Patandlinda

This is getting so old now . Let's see now having 3 RV's in the last 45 years including the current trailer with sliding windows , what leaking ? What soaking of the interior ? Never happened to us . And even though we live in California , always travel and stay up North to Oregon and Washington , even in winter .. We have family there . As for large opening window in rear , the 2 sides are plenty for ventilation , one of which is a better escape window . Really don't care to open large window over my bed. Who the hell in a storm opens all their windows ? Do you not have a awning and use your roof fan ? Never had any operating problems or coming apart with the sliders . Once at a RV lot couldn't open the frameless on a new RV , the glass was stuck to the inside seal butyl is on many places on your trailer for sealing . It is a good removable sealer.

Finally , good you love your windows . Many of us love ours too , sliders . Pat

Interesting that your assessment fails to identify any advantages of the framed windows over the frameless, but rather is a list of the things you must do to mitigate the sliders’ deficiencies.

Sliders are fine. They work alright and I’m glad you like yours. We have owned and used both and we prefer the frameless, for the reasons I listed.

My point in rehashing these things was to provide additional, possibly helpful, information to a newer member here on the site, who appeared to be unaware of certain aspects of The Great Window Debate.

[cpaharley2008]

In my opinion, in order to express an informed opinion, one must have had experience with both types of windows in various weather scenarios, to form an informed opinion....just saying.

[Patandlinda]

Originally Posted by cpaharley2008

In my opinion, in order to express an informed opinion, one must have had experience with both types of windows in various weather scenarios, to form an informed opinion....just saying.

checked them out , not impressed . Especially when my brothers , brand new Winnebago Class A had to have all the frameless switched out from leaking and problems 4 mo old .We camp a lot with him . He still hates them because of lack of good ventilation. If I want to change out something that has been and still is in existence I want improvement not just looks . Sat in brand new RV 's went back and forth to frameless and sliders to check on ventilation . Sliders won hands down . By the way he also hates his power awning which we also sat under . But then we not impressed with huge Class A' either . Pat

[Patandlinda]

Originally Posted by sclifrickson

Interesting that your assessment fails to identify any advantages of the framed windows over the frameless, but rather is a list of the things you must do to mitigate the sliders’ deficiencies.

Sliders are fine. They work alright and I’m glad you like yours. We have owned and used both and we prefer the frameless, for the reasons I listed.

My point in rehashing these things was to provide additional, possibly helpful, information to a newer member here on the site, who appeared to be unaware of certain aspects of The Great Window Debate.

Really . They are still being used on Olivers . Hmmmm , great ventilation , do not leak . No issues like coming apart . The rear of any RV we ever had was the dirtiest , so don't want opening rear windows especially where my bed is . Pat

[Patandlinda]

Originally Posted by gbaglo

Takes a few minutes to remove oozing butyl. ETI included this scraper in the goody bag at a rally.

Cool little tool unfortunately we didn't get one . We just use a old credit card . I think now coming up to 6 years only a couple times ever found the need to clean up the butyl and we always take care of the trailer . Pat

[Rossue]

Agree with you Pat; hadn't thought about dust/dirt seeping in the back window. The other thing is one loses the picture window as the frameless rear is split down the middle. How do you take a good pic for "What's out your back window"?

[Brian B-P]

Originally Posted by sclifrickson

... the frameless windows don’t visibly ooze butyl sealant in hot weather, unlike framed windows.

Since the "frameless" windows are just framed windows with the outer glass plane bonded to the outside of the moving frame, overlapping the fixed frame to hide it, they both need to be sealed to the trailer in essentially the same way. If the frameless windows are installed with a gasket instead of sealant, or some modern sealant instead of plumber's putty with added butyl, the same could be done with the traditional "framed" windows.

Originally Posted by sclifrickson

With the frameless setup you can open the large rear window on the trailer, unlike the framed rear window. And most obviously, the frameless windows are all-weather windows that can be used in rain or storm without soaking the trailer interior.

This is the result of the awning configuration (top-hinged), rather than the "frameless" construction. I would be happy with awning-style framed windows; I've only had sliders.

[katzam29]

We have the dual pane framed windows in our 2017 19'. Haven't had any problems with rain because the window I keep open is the one over the kitchen sink. We're perfectly happy with our windows. Speaking of rain....it's the awning I'm not too pleased with, but that's a different thread.

[Ron in BC]

Originally Posted by Patandlinda

Really . They are still being used on Olivers . Hmmmm , great ventilation , do not leak . No issues like coming apart . The rear of any RV we ever had was the dirtiest , so don't want opening rear windows especially where my bed is . Pat

Ron

[sclifrickson]

I think Framed and Frameless camps should pick some sort of readily identifiable visual marker, like gang colors, so everybody can tell who’s who at rallies and such. How about gray for Framers, and blue for Framelessers? Sorta Civil Warrish. Of course, everyone knows how that turned out. [emoji6]

[Ron in BC]

No way, I'm a Framer and I want us to be Blue.

Ron

[Eggscape]

How about shirts and skins.
The framed windows could be shirts and frameless could be shirtless...maybe that is something best not seen.

[peter]

How about CALGARY FRAMES vs the CAROLINA HURRIFRAMES?

[Mike G]

Originally Posted by Eggscape

How about shirts and skins.
The framed windows could be shirts and frameless could be shirtless...maybe that is something best not seen.

I believe I've read that the women can legally be topless in Canada. This could work!

[Farther]

Originally Posted by Ron in BC

No way, I'm a Framer and I want us to be Blue.

Ron

You'd be a red coat.

[Greg A]

No Civil War reenactment here, I don't have a dog in this fight, sorry.
Know which one's I like and I've got them. Hope everyone is aligned similarly with their choices.

[Ron in BC]

Originally Posted by Farther

You'd be a red coat.

Well, maybe. I know that I'd certainly be Blue if my only choice was frameless.

Ron