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Old 01-14-2020, 03:40 PM   #21
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Where does the Reed and Prince/Frearson drive measure on the ease of use spectrum? That was the type used by phone company installers and is probably found in virtually every telephone connector block in the US.
The Frearson is self-centering, and doesn't cam out like a Phillips, so it's relatively easy to use.
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Old 01-14-2020, 04:45 PM   #22
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I find Robertson screws use in fine furniture. I have several pieces where they were used in hinges and assemblage.
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What do you mean by "star"... Torx, perhaps? The Torx system works very well, but is still uncommon outside of automotive and electronic products.
At my local Ace hardware, most of the deck screws come with Torx heads. They even throw in a driver head with each box.
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Old 01-14-2020, 06:31 PM   #24
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At my local Ace hardware, most of the deck screws come with Torx heads. They even throw in a driver head with each box.
We too get these deck screws with Torx heads, but there is very little else offered with them. I do really like using them. I do have a set of Torx screwdrivers and drivers too.
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Old 01-14-2020, 07:09 PM   #25
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At my local Ace hardware, most of the deck screws come with Torx heads. They even throw in a driver head with each box.
Yes, I should have mentioned those, and there are some larger structural screws in Torx, too... but most wood screws here are still Robertson.

Torx is certainly superior, but wasn't technically practical to manufacture back when Robertson was introduced. I'm still not sure if Torx is what UncleTim meant by "star".
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I have been using Star screws almost exclusively for years. My shop is entirely built using them. The brass have two sizes, the coated ones use a smaller bit.


They are superior. They never cam out. They offer great control. Very much like the square bit. The star configuration and the slight taper makes them my number one choice and my hardware store stocks them in various lengths. Sells them by the pound.
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What do you mean by "star"... Torx, perhaps? The Torx system works very well, but is still uncommon outside of automotive and electronic products.
Torx may be the actual name. We just call them star bits.



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Torx around here but still the same....
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Old 01-16-2020, 07:51 AM   #29
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I use the Torx on a lot of my projects around the house. What I like the most is the heads do not strip out like the Phillips head do if one needs to extract them
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Old 01-22-2020, 11:07 AM   #30
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Do I have sympathy for those people who have never experienced Robertson Head Screws.

The Phillips screw cams out - Roberrtson doesn't. Further, inserting the screw on the bit keeps it there till you use it.

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The Frearson is self-centering, and doesn't cam out like a Phillips, so it's relatively easy to use.
Frearson, more commonly know as Reed & Prince, were widely used in the PNW boat building business a few decades ago. They were usually made of silicon bronze. While better at resisting camming-out than a Phillips head, the Robertson are even better. The big problem with R+P is that any dirt, paint, or sealant in the head would prevent full engagement and result in camming out and damage to the head, often resulting in difficulty in removing the screw once damaged and necessitating replacement. I have spent too much time with a sail needle trying to clean out R+P heads to love them, and I have a boat made of them. The one advantage of R+P is that they use a single taper, so a small screwdriver will fit a large screw perfectly and vice-versa; Phillips has their multiple sizes, and using the wrong drive for the head can cause damage to the screw.

These days the PNW boatbuilders use a lot of square drive (Robertson) screws, and R+P are getting harder to find.
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Interestingly, Reed and Prince have been in Massachusetts since late 1800's in their original factory....For over 125 years our products have been proudly made in the USA. Our precision, make to print cold headed fasteners, have been utilized in critical performance and precision applications by the world’s leading manufacturers in the automotive/transportation, building construction, electrical/electronic and commercial/industrial markets.
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Hey, I remember when there were only slot head screws and a phillips was a vast improvement over those.
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It is an interesting story that shows us, among other things, how competition becomes the reason for developing and improving the quality of manufactured goods, for example, screws and other things. By the way, many companies producing fasteners save on materials and, therefore, on quality. In Australia, it is generally difficult to find high-quality screws and bolts. Scrooz Fasteners is probably the only company that sells something of high quality at an affordable price.
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I have been using Star screws almost exclusively for years. My shop is entirely built using them. The brass have two sizes, the coated ones use a smaller bit.


They are superior. They never cam out. They offer great control. Very much like the square bit. The star configuration and the slight taper makes them my number one choice and my hardware store stocks them in various lengths. Sells them by the pound.


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Must give due recognition to this little brother, which I happened to learn about recently.
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