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Old 03-25-2013, 11:45 PM   #41
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A Couple of Pics of How it all Looks

Now that it is complete we are happy with our choices and how it all looks.

Soon our first shakedown short trip here on the island.

While waiting for the ferry we had two different people enquire about the trailer and we handed out two Escape reference cards.



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A view of the 120v wall heater mounted below the fridge

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A look up to the front from the dinette showing the big fridge

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Next project is build some storage boxes for the truck bed to bring along all those extra things
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Old 03-26-2013, 12:20 AM   #42
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Nice.
Very nice.
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Old 03-26-2013, 12:47 AM   #43
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Absolutely beautiful!
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Old 03-26-2013, 08:12 AM   #44
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Looks great!
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Old 03-26-2013, 02:29 PM   #45
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That's beautiful ! Great looking fabric ..... is that an electric heater under the fridge ?
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Old 03-26-2013, 02:33 PM   #46
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Wow! Your sink, stove, fabric and Formica choices look absolutely beautiful together!!
P.S. May I ask the name of your Formica choice?
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Old 03-26-2013, 02:38 PM   #47
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Oh brother...... I guess if one reads the thread over the pic one would not need to ask about the heater ...lol...
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Old 03-26-2013, 03:57 PM   #48
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Thats very sharp.
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Old 03-26-2013, 05:17 PM   #49
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Islandr,
I forgot, what did you do with your 17b?
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Old 03-26-2013, 08:38 PM   #50
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Looks great; love the way you have co-ordinated everything.

How's the heater working out ........ is it quiet enough for you?

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Old 03-26-2013, 08:55 PM   #51
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Beautiful! Where did you find that great fabric? Also, is that a stainless insert on the fridge? Was that also a special request? That is a nice touch and picks up on the grey and the stainless sink and stove.
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Old 03-26-2013, 10:18 PM   #52
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Last fall we traded the 17b in on the 5.0, Rease and
Tammy listed it last fall and it has been sold.

The formica is called Slate Sequoia.

Barry yes the heater is quiet enough, can't even compare it to the gas furnace for noise. I have it set for 100watts at this time as with the extra insulation and foam on the underside I am hoping once it gets warm it will stay warm.

I think the first couple of trips will be to provincial parks to test the capacity of the dual 6v batteries and I still need to wire in the controller for my portable solar panel.
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Old 03-26-2013, 10:22 PM   #53
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The fabric is a Sunbrella product

The front of the fridge is not stainless, just a grey plastic possibly.

Maybe in the future I will install a stainless insert if the plastic gets marked up.
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Old 03-26-2013, 10:39 PM   #54
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Barry yes the heater is quiet enough, can't even compare it to the gas furnace for noise. I have it set for 100watts at this time as with the extra insulation and foam on the underside I am hoping once it gets warm it will stay warm.
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That's what I have mine set to as well (1000 watts); looks like you got the same one. Visiting our son over in Victoria last November it kept the trailer toasty even with frosts on the ground each morning.

If the trailer is really cold after a drive in cold weather I run the propane and electric together for 10 mins and then the electric will take over and keep the trailer warm with no problem.

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Old 05-30-2013, 07:57 PM   #55
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I have read your upgrade journey with interest. We also have a 17 with a Frontier and have been thinking about the 5. I like the idea that the table can remain up while having a separate full size bed, but I am concerned about giving up space in the back of the truck. I would like to hear about how your trailer is working out and see it. Are you going to the rally?

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Old 02-02-2020, 07:32 PM   #56
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I’m the third proud owner of this trailer after buying it in July from that second owner who lives near Sacramento, Ca. There is no buyer remorse from me. Just bragging about how my wife and I are loving this trailer after having a 16’ Casita. I have a Ford 150 ecoboost short bed and took it on a 8 day shake down trip to Mesa Verde N P, then over the million dollar highway to Silverton Co and then back to SLC, Utah. I stumbled onto this post and realized it was my trailer that Islandr was having ETI build in 2012. Plenty of room in the truck bed and in the backseat of the super crew cab. So easy to tow....challenge to backup so far.... but getting the hang of it. I love the electric heater that Bret installed. And the portable solar panel kits work just fine with the pre-wire setup.

I just want to say this trailer is headed for some upgrades.

I’m looking at installing a QUIET roof ac unit but wanting a unit that my Honda 2000 will power. Coleman Mach 10 NDQ (non ducted quiet) model is a possible candidate. But 13500 btu’s ? 11000 or even 9200 btu’s would be sufficient. The deserts in Utah are all above 4,000 elevation. I might have go to the Honda 2200? The Penguin 11000 btu might require the Honda 2200 (or more?) plus it has been rated as noisy. So has the Colemans but they have the hush kits you can install. Hmmm, I wonder if these hush kits could be used on the Dometic models? I’m sure there are hard start kits for all of them. Can anybody persuade me one way or the other?
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Old 02-02-2020, 07:36 PM   #57
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The Coleman Penguin 9200btu installed in the 2012 Escapes operated fine off the 2000 watt generators. Not sure if that is still available elsewhere.
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Old 02-02-2020, 10:51 PM   #58
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Dometic mfg’s the Penguin ac. ETI currently installs and recommends the Penguin II 11000 btu unit (model # 640310CXX1CO) per correspondence with ETI. Average (80F) Running watts is 1400. Desert (100F) running watts is 3200. Honda 2000i will handle 1600 w until it runs out of gas and 2000 w for 30 min. Elevation and noise are my concerns.

Coleman mach 8 cub (low profile, 9200 btu’s) uses only 1270 w std and 1550 w desert (100F) but is loud. Hush kits are available. The Coleman Mach 1 PS (power saver) 11000 btu model uses 1048 watts std and 1370 watts desert ��. A no brainer decision except it is reportedly loud. Always something. I’m getting closer to finding the right mix.
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I’m looking at installing a QUIET roof ac unit but wanting a unit that my Honda 2000 will power. Coleman Mach 10 NDQ (non ducted quiet) model is a possible candidate. But 13500 btu’s ? 11000 or even 9200 btu’s would be sufficient. The deserts in Utah are all above 4,000 elevation. I might have go to the Honda 2200? The Penguin 11000 btu might require the Honda 2200 (or more?) plus it has been rated as noisy. So has the Colemans but they have the hush kits you can install. Hmmm, I wonder if these hush kits could be used on the Dometic models? I’m sure there are hard start kits for all of them. Can anybody persuade me one way or the other?
In my opinion there is no non-ducted, quiet rooftop A/C made by Dometic or Coleman. I removed an 11,000 BTU rooftop Dometic jet engine and did a custom install of a 9,000 BTU Fujitsu mini-split. It is whisper quiet and works fantastic even on the hottest of days in making the trailer comfortable (Classic 19 with extra insulation and regular non-thermal windows). I also did a 21 with a 9,000 BTU and the owner is happy. I could have went with a 12,000, but since I'm experienced in HVAC I knew 9,000 would be enough. One advantage of a unit that is not oversized is you get much better dehumidifying which is critical if you are in areas that are humid. The 11,000 BTU rooftop units can generally run on the Honda EU2000/2200 units or equivalent (some have needed to add a Micro Air Easy Start depending on their circumstances like altitude). The mini-split with inverter compressor with low wattage and no large inrush works really well on small gen. The only rooftop unit that I have found where they really seemed to try to make it quieter is the Houghton Belaire unit designed in Australia. These are expensive and were only being imported and installed by Advanced-RV in Ohio. They may send one out to another dealer for install. Might be worth a call. See this post for details:
http://www.escapeforum.org/forums/f8...tml#post271225
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Old 02-03-2020, 01:42 AM   #60
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Thanks for your information and efforts to get the RV appliance industry to launch such a superior product. And yes, I too, can’t believe your prototypes hasn’t been picked up and marketed by at least one HVAC mfg company.

I recognized your name because I recently read all four hundred and something posts on your thread. I’m always amazed at the creative upgrades and modifications that people do on these trailers. Dang! And I thought you were wanting to install another split unit. Your logic has been discussed at length and the 2-3 prototypes are the proof for the doubters. I think some companies are listening but none are willing to take the risks needed to fully implement a totally different product line. They are modifying the old technology to appease a few customers who have researched roof mounted AC units. Most AC purchases are probably just one checked box on a list of options during the initial sale of a trailer. I guess we customers are supposed to just deal with noisy air conditioners and generators because that’s all we are supposed to know. We are not allowed to think outside the box. And as long as none of the hvac companies break rank, there is nothing for this industry to worry about. They have comfortable profit margins and doesn’t want anyone rocking the boat (to much). Small tweaks are ok. Hush kits and hard start capacitor kits are ok. Their suppliers also depend on a stable business model.

There has to be some one who is willing to rock the boat. Business ethics should drive this competition!. Meanwhile, I’m going to be one educated customer doing my research. Asking the right questions. Making mfg employees think and come up with acceptable answers. Trying to get more small tweaks incorporated by these manufacturers and to deal with the issues that the customer has dealt with for years.
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