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Old 02-06-2016, 01:13 PM   #181
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Interesting! Thanks for posting.

Well, that confirms that the frameless windows will be thermal. Good! And they'll probably look like what Karen posted as that type seems to be on a vast majority of RVs these days. Most are awning type, but you can also get them with a slider window.

I found this link when I was cruising around, looking for info on frameless RV windows:

Guide to RV Windows, It's All About the Glass

Edit: They're listed on all of the trailers (least the windows; I didn't check for the cubbies, but would assume so).
Thanks for the link . Pretty much explains it all about Windows . Pat
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Old 02-06-2016, 01:17 PM   #182
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Since the option has changed does that mean that those of us that locked in and signed our build sheet that we will still get framed windows? I would assume so, and it really does not matter to me, just curious. A good ETI question.
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Old 02-06-2016, 01:22 PM   #183
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I believe it's been stated elsewhere that once the build sheet is signed off, prices and options are locked. If one wants to change or add an option, the new pricing applies and a change fee is charged.
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Old 02-06-2016, 01:33 PM   #184
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Old 02-06-2016, 01:33 PM   #185
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The option list has changed once sgain! (At least for the 19): Extra insulation & frameless thermal windows (incl opening rear window, frt window with rock shield non thermal), and storage cubby cabinet bins for outside bathroom door
Looks like the price changed too. I'm pretty sure that extra insulation and thermal windows was $1000.00 now it's $1500.00.
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Old 02-06-2016, 01:39 PM   #186
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But the frameless (thermal) Windows undoubtedly cost more .....

plus keep in mind - ETI seem more than fair at every step of the way

And no one is making anyone pick any option

:-)

I for one like the idea of slick looking frameless Windows. And would save up a bit more to pay for them.
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Old 02-06-2016, 01:42 PM   #187
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Many of the prices are starting to change on the option sheet. I noticed the upgrade charge on the formica doubled to $200 and another $100 outside group 58. The frame-less windows personally doesn't do anything for me, but some will probably like it. The bike hitch was an option for us but is in the standard list. Might have already been that way for 2016, nothing else yet I see on the standard features.
I'm wondering if they change one or two things on the website and then time how long it takes for us to comment on it here.
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Old 02-06-2016, 01:50 PM   #188
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But the frameless (thermal) Windows undoubtedly cost more .....

plus keep in mind - ETI seem more than fair at every step of the way

And no one is making anyone pick any option

:-)

I for one like the idea of slick looking frameless Windows. And would save up a bit more to pay for them.
To be clear, I wasn't complaining. Just making an observation. While I'm not going to say that I'm happy about it, I'm not at all surprised to see the option prices (or the base price) increasing.
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Old 02-06-2016, 04:53 PM   #189
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Kitchen window is now standard too.
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Old 02-06-2016, 05:11 PM   #190
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I wonder what the bath window will be like and if all the frameless windows are awning style
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Old 02-06-2016, 06:02 PM   #191
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I take any changes now as being for 2017 especially when they are significant (more costly.) They may use some items on the 2016s though. No telling.

The $100 extra outside of group 58 counters was already the case, just not clear before.
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Old 02-07-2016, 08:52 AM   #192
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I had frameless windows on my Lance and T@da trailers. No black streaks and the interior screen and shade were really nice.
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Old 02-07-2016, 09:08 AM   #193
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The $100 extra outside of group 58 counters was already the case, just not clear before.
What are "group 58 counters"?
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Old 02-07-2016, 09:33 AM   #194
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It's the matte finish for the Formica brand laminate. Other finishes, like the radiance finish, command a premium from ETI to install on top of the stocking fee (as I call it) for a custom color. I don't know why a different finish makes a difference.
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Old 02-07-2016, 02:36 PM   #195
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I see that they have raised the price for custom counters to $200. Then it would be another $100 if you get other than Formica that ends in 58. (So presumably an extra $300 for other than 58.) That is the way it now reads, to me anyway.
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Old 02-07-2016, 02:54 PM   #196
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That's the way I read it, too. I fully understand the $200 upcharge to order, stock and keep track of a custom piece of Formica laminate (and put it in the right trailer!), but I still don't get the part about the different finish. But then I've never installed laminate anywhere at anytime...maybe it handles differently or is harder to cut or something.
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Old 02-07-2016, 04:46 PM   #197
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Shinier finishes are harder to install because scratches show up easier.

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Having installed many 100's of sheets of laminate, for purposes like in Escape trailers, there is next no difference in efforts to install. When you do pre-formed rolled edges, some of the thicker glossy laminates cannot be bent near as tight as the 58 finish. It is not only the finish that makes the difference in cost, it is how the laminate is built up, how thick it is, and how thick the finish layer is. If you get a chance to compare, try bending them and you will see a difference in thickness and flex.

Ultimately, the glossier finishes will show scratches a lot more, especially with darker colours. The glossy finish also reflects light, and this reflection can be harsher, a bit consideration in Escape's with all their windows. They also show smudges and fingerprints more too. I know in looking at laminates for our own trailer, probably 50 or more sample from 3 suppliers, there were some samples with some gloss to them, and it was the reflection of light that turned me off of them more than anything.
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The basic line with 58 at the end costs less. If you get another line, Formica charges more so Escape charges more.

We have a plain matt and can see where it needs to be cleaned up as opposed to the mottled look of many designs. I can see the appeal of the others though that cost more than the 58s as they are often much nicer looking, to many anyway.
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