Quality of Escape

[Brian B-P]

Originally Posted by cpaharley2008

I'm not aware of commercial trailers having rear cameras, which if needed I'm sure they would have them. That said, they do post signs that "If you can not see my mirrors, I can not see you" on the rear of the trailer. As Glenn's photo shows, not until they pull out can they be observed. Perhaps a similar sign on the rear bumper should suffice.

True, commercial trailers don't have cameras, probably in part because the trailer is often not even owned by the same company as the truck, and there is no provision for powering or communicating with a trailer camera in the industry standards for tractor-trailer interconnections.

A camera on the back of a travel trailer is usually for backing up, rather than for changing lanes. Commercial trucks typically only back into loading docks, not campsites or private driveways.

[Iowa Dave]

I’ve watched over the road drivers back into the dock where I worked literally hundreds of times. Some come in at a pretty good clip, hit the hole one shot and nudge the dock like there’s a baby by the door.
My personal observation record was seventeen passes before a driver gave up
And our driver who had never been in the truck before put her there in one shot for him. And yes, we had a driver come in the
office and announce he was ready to be unloaded. He was head in to the dock. So don’t feel bad if you have to make a couple passes to park your camper.
Iowa Dave

[Kodakajika]

I just read all of this thread hoping to gain something value for my E-21 that I just ordered. I have already learned so much from this forum. However, I have seen a pattern of people abusing others if they disagree, or don't like their post. As a new person, I'd like to suggest you people stop it. I hope to continue using the Forum but this is depressing.

[sallemann]

Originally Posted by Kodakajika

I have seen a pattern of people abusing others if they disagree, or don't like their post. As a new person, I'd like to suggest you people stop it. I hope to continue using the Forum but this is depressing.

It is a turnoff. The disrespect and intolerance in some of the responses throughout the forum is reflective of this divisive, judgmental world we now live in. Very depressing. When I see a snarky, disrespectful response, I immediately stop reading that one and skip to the next.

I pity the moderators. I have to believe they struggle with how to deal with this.

BTW... Welcome to the forum!

[gbaglo]

You need to stick around long enough to get a picture of the personalities. What you perceive as disrespect and intolerance could well be members with a long history of jousting in jest.

[gbaglo]

Originally Posted by sallemann

I pity the moderators. I have to believe they struggle with how to deal with this.

I was a moderator for about eight or nine years on this forum ( from its origin ). It wasn't hard to deal with people expressing their opinions. That's one reason for the existence of the forum. Nobody ever got into flame wars. They may have disagreed, but there is nothing wrong with that.

Feel free to disagree.

[dfandrews]

Originally Posted by gbaglo

You need to stick around long enough to get a picture of the personalities. What you perceive as disrespect and intolerance could well be members with a long history of jousting in jest.

True enough. As an example, when Dolly said

Originally Posted by sallemann

....I pity the moderators. I have to believe they struggle with how to deal with this...

My first thought was to post: "Ma, it wasn't me, it was those moderators that started it! They started it, again!! Waaaaah!"


Dolly, you Do have a valid point though.

[Ron in BC]

Originally Posted by rjreeves

I don't know how to say it gently, so I'll just say it: That is patently absurd. IMHO.

Maybe I'm missing something given your wealth of experience with Escapes but I don't agree.

When I compare my 2014 build photos to the ones that I'm getting now for my 21 the similarity is pretty graphic. The same types of equipment and fixtures in both sets of photos. I don't expect that I'm going to find something so different from the way they used to put them together, new owners or not. Quite frankly, if I didn't follow the forum I wouldn't even suspect the T & R were no longer there.

Ron

[MyronL]

I must risk being maudlin here but… I do think all the membership of this forum, no exceptions, have a caring interest in supporting the best intentions of the common bond, affection for our trailers. We are tied to them. We get silly doing that, joke about it, gripe about it, bust chops, employ a touch of acid, or wax affection ad-nauseum, (I hate that).

I think everyone here expresses honest feelings respectfully, with the prime goal being, whether or not others will like it, to share what they have learned with strong opinions that educate. Anyone can look deeply into a cup of honey, miss the sweetness and the fun, and pick out the vitriol. Perspective is a relative thing.

[Perry Butler]

Originally Posted by MyronL

I must risk being maudlin here but… I do think all the membership of this forum, no exceptions, have a caring interest in supporting the best intentions of the common bond, affection for our trailers. We are tied to them. We get silly doing that, joke about it, gripe about it, bust chops, employ a touch of acid, or wax affection ad-nauseum, (I hate that).

I think everyone here expresses honest feelings respectfully, with the prime goal being, whether or not others will like it, to share what they have learned with strong opinions that educate. Anyone can look deeply into a cup of honey, miss the sweetness and the fun, and pick out the vitriol. Perspective is a relative thing.

Well said!

Enjoy,

Perry

[Vermilye]

Originally Posted by MyronL

"...why do you think it's "nuts" to want to see directly behind the trailer?"

Guess because it seems to me like an expensive hassle not worth the bother. I have thought, though, about adding a flashing red sign on the trailer back window warning, "Back off!"

The places I've found the "Always on" trailer back up cameras useful is in gas stations & other crowded locations when I need to back up. Since I travel solo, I don't have anyone to get out & watch, and you would be surprised how fast someone or something can move into the blind spot behind the trailer.

It is also useful for those rare times I pass someone...

[gbaglo]

Originally Posted by Vermilye

The places I've found the "Always on" trailer back up cameras useful is in gas stations & other crowded locations when I need to back up.

I'll give you that. I always marvel that a driver can become an idiot when they get out of their car at the shopping centre. Suddenly, they are unaware of backup lights and cars reversing out of their stalls, blindly walking behind them.

[MyronL]

Recently I was pulling into the parking lot in front of our super market and had to stop immediately as a big long pick up truck began to back out of her spot and was backing toward me. I was around twenty feet behind her and immediately backed up another four feet. Couldn't go farther for fear of backing into traffic behind me - but she to my utter amazement didn't stop. She continued backing out, much farther than necessary, and banged into my truck! I couldn't believe it! The damn fool could have used her back up camera to see me back there, if she had one. She didn't.

Regardless, some drivers clearly just don't watch where they're going.

[Farther]

Other than initial expense and potential maintenance, I don't see a downside in having a backup camera.

[MikeS]

Originally Posted by MyronL

I must risk being maudlin here but… I do think all the membership of this forum, no exceptions, have a caring interest in supporting the best intentions of the common bond, affection for our trailers. We are tied to them. We get silly doing that, joke about it, gripe about it, bust chops, employ a touch of acid, or wax affection ad-nauseum, (I hate that).

I think everyone here expresses honest feelings respectfully, with the prime goal being, whether or not others will like it, to share what they have learned with strong opinions that educate. Anyone can look deeply into a cup of honey, miss the sweetness and the fun, and pick out the vitriol. Perspective is a relative thing.

This exactly.

And rarely threads can even drift from the original topic, but rarely. Sometime sarcasm is involved too.

[Telescopist]

Originally Posted by tdf-texas

If I remember correctly, Yosemite Sam was packing twin pistols and brandishing them. Good luck with that in the more liberal states! Besides, wasn't he wearing blackface?

What happens bad in the liberal states if you have this bumper sticker? Do you have a list of liberal states? This list would come in handy. I could always apply the bumper sticker with velcro and remove once I enter a liberal state.

[Iowa Dave]

Now there’s an idea that could be something. First an application on your cell phone that ties your location into the political climate of the city, county or state
you’re in or near and then gives you suggestions for a different Velcro bumper sticker based on whether you want to be loved or hated or have the most popular dog breed in the region, beer of the region whatever. Wetlands of North Dakota “I love my lab”. Cowboy country of Texas “give me a lone star”. I read a book based on the area and towns around Choteau Montana.
I had to drive down there when on the east side of Glacier. There was a large home made sign along the road with each section of land drawn in. The sections (Square mile) were painted red or white. The legend on the map said. white=‘native Montanan owned. Red = outsider. you don’t belong here. Got a feeling a California movie star
grade auto with California plates might not have been welcome in front of the local watering hole.
Iowa Dave

[Telescopist]

Too funny!

[gbaglo]

Lone Star.

That reminds me of the beer strike in B.C. many years ago. An editor at the Vancouver Sun was at the Press Club, late one night, and pining for a beer, specifically Lone Star.

He gathered a small cadre of Press Club regulars, who were in the bar at closing time, and took a taxi to the airport. Purchased airline tickets for all on his credit card and flew to Houston ( I think ).
Took him years to pay off that card.

[cpaharley2008]

Canadian version of Smokey and the Bandit.........Coors for Lone Star