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Old 11-20-2017, 08:10 AM   #21
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All 4 years have seen about 10 Escapes on the road . The ones I mention do stick out pretty good . Pat
I have seen about 100 times that at Escape rallies alone. (Is that cheating? ) Away from there I have seen lots though never counted how many. Not as many as Airstream, and definitely not as many as a lot of the sticky brands, but the numbers have only really grown in the last few years. Airstream has been around for a lot longer than Escape which leads in part to the numbers of them.
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Old 11-20-2017, 08:15 AM   #22
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In over 40,000 miles with an Escape attached, other than at Rallies, I can count on one hand the number of Escapes I have seen in our travels.
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Old 11-20-2017, 09:25 AM   #23
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I guess it depends on where you live....here on the east coast of Canada, it is only once in awhile you see something other than a stickie. Here an airstream or fiberglass are a bit of a novelty.
Living on the east coast of the US you very rarely see anything but stick built stuff. I have only seen 1 Scamp, 2 Casitas and maybe a handful of Airstreams over the years. Have never seen another Escape or an Oliver in person.
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Old 11-20-2017, 10:42 AM   #24
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Around here, stickies (especially with vacuum bonded fiberglass sides) are the most common, and hybrids. Lots of pop ups. And lots of loooooooong TTs in the 30 foot plus range. Lately Ive seen a few triple axles in the "fish bowl" part of Rushing River provincial park>
Hardly any fiberglass ones, and the ones i do see are Older casita, scamp, and other old stuff I am not sure what they are.

I didn't realize Thor owned Airstream for that long. I've just noticed that lately once thor buys something, models disappear, and the brand purchased usually becomes a clone of another brand. (starcraft and jayco being the same now as an example)
I also noticed once Thor bought Livin Lite, they made changes, dropping some of the smaller trailers and lighter models and going larger and heavier, with more glam like under cabinet lighting etc, and dropping the aluminium plank floor. Those changes might be good for profits and sales, but i don't consider it good for the end user.
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Old 11-20-2017, 11:12 AM   #25
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I have seen about 100 times that at Escape rallies alone. (Is that cheating? ) Away from there I have seen lots though never counted how many. Not as many as Airstream, and definitely not as many as a lot of the sticky brands, but the numbers have only really grown in the last few years. Airstream has been around for a lot longer than Escape which leads in part to the numbers of them.
Besides the 10 we have seen in the last 4 years . I see one everyday ,in fact right now having my coffee looking at one through the window .Pat
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Old 11-20-2017, 11:15 AM   #26
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I guess it depends on where you live....here on the east coast of Canada, it is only once in awhile you see something other than a stickie. Here an airstream or fiberglass are a bit of a novelty.
Yes I think a lot has to do with where you live . Funny though where do they all camp ? I think I would notice a shine new Airstream if I am at a campground . Pat
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I had to drive to Iowa City last week on US30 And I380. It’s about 40 miles. I saw three airstreams running together and they were northbound at the time. Living near and traveling I80 We travel it often and we see a lot of campers. Stick builts predominate. In the summer a 400 mile day usually averages 2 Fiberglass trailers a day. My personal record is 10 fiberglass trailers in one day as we crossed South Dakota on the third
Saturday in August this year. 5 Scamps one or two Escapes ( can’t remember) and three others. I expect the next couple of weeks will be dominated by snowbirds headed south.
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Old 11-20-2017, 11:19 AM   #28
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Living on the east coast of the US you very rarely see anything but stick built stuff. I have only seen 1 Scamp, 2 Casitas and maybe a handful of Airstreams over the years. Have never seen another Escape or an Oliver in person.
Was lucky to check out 2 Olivers in person , a 2009 and a new at the time 2016 .they are pretty rare for sure . Pat
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In over 40,000 miles with an Escape attached, other than at Rallies, I can count on one hand the number of Escapes I have seen in our travels.
When we purchased in 2013 , I think we were number 3 in California on the coast . I have contributed to 2 more and looking at the map lots more now . There still is a huge number of Class A's here in California . When we travel far see a lot less . Maybe they don't drive far because they are terrible on gas . Our gas is very expensive here in California . But all the Airstreams driving down the road we see where do they camp ? Pat
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Old 11-20-2017, 11:41 AM   #31
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You're right, less counter space than the 21 - more along the lines of the 19. The slideout microwave is interesting though.
Robert I don't know if you noticed but that photo of the kitchen is of the 27FB model. If you look at the website every single one of the photos inside or out is of the 27FB not the 19CB. Guess they don't want you to see the the 19 is so small for 75G's! Also that opening back end is only on the 27FB. Also did you notice the 19CB is only a single axle trailer, at least I assume that on the floorplans the 19 has a pic of two axles with a big 1 on it whereas the 27FB has the same with a big number 2.

If you click on download brochure they want your info so I didn't bother.

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Old 11-20-2017, 11:51 AM   #32
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I also just noticed that even the 19CB has two 30 lb propane tanks. Now let me see, if that's a single axle with the axle likely under where the bath sink is located, all the kitchen ahead of the axle, no room for black, grey, and fresh tanks behind the axle so perhaps the fresh is ahead, just a guess, would this not make this trailer too nose heavy? Perhaps they add a big weight on the rear bumper

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Old 11-20-2017, 11:57 AM   #33
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Robert I don't know if you noticed but that photo of the kitchen is of the 27FB model. If you look at the website every single one of the photos inside or out is of the 27FB not the 19CB. Guess they don't want you to see the the 19 is so small for 75G's! Also that opening back end is only on the 27FB. Also did you notice the 19CB is only a single axle trailer, at least I assume that on the floorplans the 19 has a pic of two axles with a big 1 on it whereas the 27FB has the same with a big number 2.

If you click on download brochure they want your info so I didn't bother.

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Aha! I didn't delve into it enough to notice that Adrian - since I'll never own one.
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Aha! I didn't delve into it enough to notice that Adrian - since I'll never own one.
Neither will I. I just like looking through this sort of thing just like I did a couple of weeks ago watching various You Tube videos on travel trailers. Makes me all the happier to own an Escape!

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Old 11-20-2017, 01:47 PM   #35
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I've just noticed that lately once thor buys something, models disappear, and the brand purchased usually becomes a clone of another brand. (starcraft and jayco being the same now as an example)
I also noticed once Thor bought Livin Lite, they made changes, dropping some of the smaller trailers and lighter models and going larger and heavier, with more glam like under cabinet lighting etc, and dropping the aluminium plank floor. Those changes might be good for profits and sales, but i don't consider it good for the end user.
I can believe that. Thor generally buys an RV brand because it is about to go under, and the physical assets and brand position represent good value to Thor. They probably don't help either quality or variety, but they save companies... to make money for Thor, of course.

I have a Damon motorhome - now part of Thor - and while it is not bad by industry standards, Damon was no high-quality prize lost to the Thor takeover. They did retain the Damon models, just under the Thor name, and the only change that I know of in our model (a small fabrication detail) was an improvement.
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Around here, stickies (especially with vacuum bonded fiberglass sides) are the most common, and hybrids.
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Hardly any fiberglass ones, and the ones i do see are Older casita, scamp, and other old stuff I am not sure what they are.
Many of the trailers which look like Scamps are probably Bolers, which were built in Manitoba. A Scamp is a Boler clone, and a Casita is variation of a Scamp clone.

The older trailers which looks like Escapes will be Trilliums and Triple-E Surfsides. The original Escape design was based on the Surfside TM-14, stretched and improved.
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I also just noticed that even the 19CB has two 30 lb propane tanks. Now let me see, if that's a single axle with the axle likely under where the bath sink is located, all the kitchen ahead of the axle, no room for black, grey, and fresh tanks behind the axle so perhaps the fresh is ahead, just a guess, would this not make this trailer too nose heavy?
The specs in the brochure for the 19CB include a 4,200 pound base weight (with propane and batteries) and 550 pound tongue weight (again with propane and batteries), so that's 13% tongue weight. 13% is just slightly more than most Escape models, but the trailer is a bit heavy for its length; it is heavier than Airstream's 22-foot Sport model.

The 19CB GVWR is only 5,000 pounds. That's okay for the trailer length, but not for the base weight: it leaves only 800 pounds for options, water/waste, and all cargo. That seems marginal to me.

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Perhaps they add a big weight on the rear bumper
Bigfoot actually had to recall one of their models and add hundreds of pounds of ballast to the tongue to fix a problem in which it would become unstable under some loading conditions.
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I can believe that. Thor generally buys an RV brand because it is about to go under, and the physical assets and brand position represent good value to Thor. They probably don't help either quality or variety, but they save companies... to make money for Thor, of course.

I have a Damon motorhome - now part of Thor - and while it is not bad by industry standards, Damon was no high-quality prize lost to the Thor takeover. They did retain the Damon models, just under the Thor name, and the only change that I know of in our model (a small fabrication detail) was an improvement.
Originally we were looking to buy a Airstream Bambi . Came very close . Then my brother pointed out they are not the same as they used to be in quality and Thor is who made them now . Starting looking closer and saw filiform corrosion on the aluminum skin on newer trailers . Decided for that kind of Money to look elsewhere . Found Escape ,because I couldn't convince Linda to buy a Casita or Scamp . It was a no way . Then we took a drive and saw a 19 and that was it. I still love the look of the Airstreams . Really like the older Airstreams but I am tried of renovating older RV's . Much rather have a new trailer and make it how we want it and do my mods . Pat
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Robert I don't know if you noticed but that photo of the kitchen is of the 27FB model. If you look at the website every single one of the photos inside or out is of the 27FB not the 19CB. Guess they don't want you to see the the 19 is so small for 75G's!
Even the brochure shows only the larger model!

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Also did you notice the 19CB is only a single axle trailer, at least I assume that on the floorplans the 19 has a pic of two axles with a big 1 on it whereas the 27FB has the same with a big number 2.
Yes, I believe that all 22' and shorter Airstreams are single-axle. With a GVWR of 5,000 pounds, there's no need for tandem axles.
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If you want to see a whole pile of Airstream trailers come on down to Sarasota Fl January 12-18th 2018. They take over the fairgrounds for one of their Wally Byam rallies.

Of course that is in the middle of snowbird season so places to stay are hard to find.
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