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Old 11-02-2017, 10:34 PM   #21
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Be careful about the max pin weight (900 lbs) and the max payload weight for your truck if you move the spare tire from the back to the front. For my F-150 Supercrew with a fully loaded trailer and 4 people in the truck, I'm very close to both max weights. Moving the spare tire to the front would make both weights worse and perhaps over the max. specs. Of course, if you don't carry extra passengers and your trailer is lightly loaded, this may not be a problem.
But I think the deal was they were going to add a utility box to the back (the reason for needing to move the spare in the first place), and whatever the box weighed plus contents (150 lb limit) would help balance that back out.
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Old 11-03-2017, 12:44 AM   #22
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A possible approach to moving the spare to under the rear floor would be to also move the fresh water tank, to forward of the grey waste tank. This would allow the spare to sit further forward, with no ground clearance problems; as a bonus, weight distribution would change less with tank level changes (compared to the stock fresh water tank location).

This would apply to all current Escape models, since all have the fresh and grey tanks in approximately the same positions relative to the axles.
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Old 11-03-2017, 01:05 AM   #23
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Why are we doing this? Because we might get rear-ended and this might reduce damage? I don't get it.
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Old 11-03-2017, 04:05 PM   #24
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Why are we doing this? Because we might get rear-ended and this might reduce damage? I don't get it.
Well yeah, I can't see the reason either - just addressing the how to. Hey, that's kinda like most of my tinkering, doing something for no reason.
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Old 11-04-2017, 09:41 AM   #25
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A timely question, as I was just looking at that yesterday as a consideration for my trailer should I decide to put a cargo box on the rear. I would want a cargo box at least 20" deep to accommodate my propane Fire Bowl, and with the tire in place would need to be an additional 8" out from the bumper, which is too much for my liking.

This is one tire mount I was considering using.
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Jim, why not install a receiver hitch on the front of your truck and carry the spare there? It would be accessible and balance the load.

Regarding the rear box, 1UP-USA makes a couple of carriers that could be the Foundation of your box design.
https://www.1up-usa.com/product-cate...argo-carriers/
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Old 11-04-2017, 09:58 AM   #26
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Jim, why not install a receiver hitch on the front of your truck and carry the spare there? It would be accessible and balance the load.

Regarding the rear box, 1UP-USA makes a couple of carriers that could be the Foundation of your box design.
https://www.1up-usa.com/product-cate...argo-carriers/
I have considered the front mounted tire, but vanity holds me back. While practical, I really don't care for the look of it.

I worry about a large box like that on the back of a trailer, with only a single point of attachment. I doubt that it could handle the weight. I would like near 200 lbs with the cargo box, bikes and cargo itself.

My though is to add a receiver on either side of the bumper/frame and use those two points for a stable attachment of my approx 66W x 20D x 24H box, then attach two 1UP Roof Racks flush mounted to the top.
https://www.1up-usa.com/product/roof-rack/

After figuring all this out I came across a Canadian made cargo carrier that is almost exactly the same idea I was working on. It is fibreglass and not aluminum like I would do. Not sure I really like the bike rack setup, but it would likely work. It is not cheap at around $3000 CDN shipped, but I bet by the time I am done building one myself, I will be around the same price too. What I worry about with it more than anything, is the stability of it on the back of a trailer, where bounce is a lot more of a consideration than a motorhome or truck/SUV. Check out the Nicova Vélo Combo 101 on this page.
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This video shows how it works. You might want to turn down the volume unless you understand French though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=AD2T24EGN74
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Old 11-04-2017, 01:27 PM   #27
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I have considered the front mounted tire, but vanity holds me back. While practical, I really don't care for the look of it.

Check out the Nicova Vélo Combo 101 on this page.
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This video shows how it works. You might want to turn down the volume unless you understand French though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=AD2T24EGN74
Nice product! They could use higher quality video and photos. ;-) I have friends with a Mercedes Sprinter van that this would be a perfect box for them with the swing arm option.
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Old 11-09-2017, 07:45 PM   #28
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My last trailer had the spare nicely mounted in a rack under the trailer. It didn't get that dirty, but if one ever has to pull off on the side of the road wo a pristine shoulder to work from, a spare mounted under the trailer can be a real bear to get to.
I much prefer it being on the back of the trailer where it is much more accessible, yes to thieves as well, which is why I use a locking lug nut and chain it to the bumper.
And I'd rather have some one hit my spare than the fiberglass shell...
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Old 11-09-2017, 09:15 PM   #29
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Just today I pulled the pin on a Lippert spare tire winch. I plan to install in on a front 2" angle iron cross member. Bolts through the steel and floor will end up under my steps. Will document it when I install.

https://store.lci1.com/winch-assembl...3-4-ext-welded

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Old 11-09-2017, 10:22 PM   #30
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And I'd rather have some one hit my spare than the fiberglass shell...
I'm not sure about that. The spare tire is out beyond the bumper. If it was hit hard the vertical steel support would smash into the f.g. shell.

There's a chance, if you were rear ended without the spare tire in that location, the steel bumper would take the impact without shell damage.

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Old 11-09-2017, 11:02 PM   #31
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Once the tire is relocated I plan on welding a bumperet to each side. They will be made of pipe welded to the joint where the bumper is attached to the frame. There will be a 45 degree brace to further forward on the frame to give upper strength. Height of these pipes to be determined. They will also serve as mounts for my 3 section antenna masts when stopped.
I can see that there is no height problem in placing the tire under the rear, but still no confirmation that there is a spot between two cross members under the rear of a late model 19 to do so. I took a picture while at the show room but just can't confirm due to the jacks blocking some of the view. Not sure if there is a cross member where the jacks are or if there is room between the jacks for a tire. I have no problem in relocating the jacks if there is no cross member there.
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Old 11-12-2017, 02:11 PM   #32
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Right, and the impact might only bend the spare tire support. The bumper is rather low, so not really expecting much protection there. The larger point is having owned an rv with the tire mounted underneath (TrailManor) I'd prefer to have it on the back where it is more accessible.
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Old 11-12-2017, 09:52 PM   #33
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I can see that there is no height problem in placing the tire under the rear, but still no confirmation that there is a spot between two cross members under the rear of a late model 19 to do so. I took a picture while at the show room but just can't confirm due to the jacks blocking some of the view. Not sure if there is a cross member where the jacks are or if there is room between the jacks for a tire. I have no problem in relocating the jacks if there is no cross member there.
The BAL stabilizer jacks (which appear to be the usual 'C' Jack in this photo) are joined, but probably by BAL's connecting channel rather than a crossmember which is an integral part of the frame. If it is the connecting channel, there wouldn't be anything additional to relocate, beyond the jacks themselves, as the channel connects only to them.
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