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Old 08-29-2024, 07:45 AM   #1
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Adding a nightlight and better fan switch to the wetbath

I didn’t like getting up in the middle of the night to go to the bathroom and being blinded by the bright light in the wetbath on our 19. Not to mention having to search around over my head for the switch on both the light and fan. A little bit of digging and I found a way to add a nightlight and fan switch that are lower, easier to access and easier on the eyes. The best part is that it’s all hidden from view.

What I did was to pull the medicine cabinet which will give access to the wiring that leads to the bath fan. Its easy to identify, it’s the only wire from the bundles behind the med cabinet that goes up to the roof. For the nightlight I installed a pair of amber LED’s in the lower rim of the medicine cabinet and while I was at it I also installed a 3rd LED that shines into the main compartment of the medicine cabinet to give illumination in there, once again to keep from having to turn on the overhead light at night. I chose amber LED’s because the soft white light doesn’t mess with my eyes as much as the bright white LED’s do. On the lower left rim of the medicine cabinet I installed a small 6A rated rocker switch and I tied the fan power to this switch. On lower right side rim of the cabinet I installed a small 3A rated pushbutton switch to operate the LED nightlights. I figured Right = Light will make it easy to remember which switch is which. The wiring for all of this can be hidden in the recessed rim that surrounds the medicine cabinet so none of it is visible once the cabinet is mounted back in the trailer and the switches are low profile so they are only visible when the cabinet door is open.

To tie in all of this to the electrical I used the 12V & Gnd wires going to the bath fan. The ground is now shared with the LED’s and fan. The 12V goes to the medicine cabinet 1st and is paralleled to the fan rocker and the LED pushbutton switches in the cabinet. In operation I will just leave the original overhead push button fan switch ON all of the time and only use the new rocker switch to power it Off/On.

I included pictures of the setup and how the nightlight looks when on. The two downward LED’s are mounted off center, this was done to better center them up with the toilet underneath.
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Old 08-29-2024, 07:54 AM   #2
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Nice.
I bet that helps.
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Old 08-29-2024, 08:06 AM   #3
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Very nice. I'm going to be working behind the medicine cabinet shortly to install and on/off switch for the fan on our composting toilet. This looks like a nice add as well. Thanks for sharing.
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Old 08-29-2024, 08:49 AM   #4
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I'll post the part #'s of the switches and LED's I used later this evening just in case someone wants to do this mod with the same parts.
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Old 08-29-2024, 09:23 PM   #5
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Warm white LED's here at Amazon

150 ohm/1W resistor here at Mouser

3A pushbutton switch here at Mouser

6A rocker switch here at Mouser

I only had one of the rocker switches in my parts drawer so that's why I used mixed switches. I decided to use the higher amperage switch for the fan motor, mainly hoping the higher amperage contacts will handle the turn-on inrush current without failing.

The LED's have a current limiting resistor already in the wire harness but I added a single 150ohm 1W resistor in series with the paralleled triplet of LED's. This is to drop the lumens of light output slightly and to ensure a long life especially with the LiFePO4 charging excursions to >14V.
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Old 08-29-2024, 10:38 PM   #6
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My wife puts one of these on the door inside the bath at night. It's rechargeable and motion activated. https://www.amazon.com/Rechargeable-...6&sr=8-23&th=1
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Old 08-29-2024, 10:47 PM   #7
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I had stuck a motion triggered AA powered amber LED puck light in my bath, but a few dozen showers later it shorted out and stopped working :-/ it was great while it lasted. multiple bathroom uses per night, and it was good for a month on 2 AA's.
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My wife puts one of these on the door inside the bath at night. It's rechargeable and motion activated.

That's an excellent and inexpensive option for easily adding a nightlight.

This hardwired mod is actually pretty easy to implement as well. Not as easy as that one of course!
Most of the labor is in making the wiring harness, but it is also inexpensive.
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I had stuck a motion triggered AA powered amber LED puck light in my bath, but a few dozen showers later it shorted out and stopped working :-/ it was great while it lasted. multiple bathroom uses per night, and it was good for a month on 2 AA's.
I've had this night light mounted to the bath/shower ceiling using velcro in my E21C for nearly a year with over 60 nights of camping. It's from amazon for $10.99 & still working great. The battery compartment is sealed with a rubber o-ring that's embedded into the battery access door.

I just checked the batteries & saw no corrosion or moisture inside & they are the original batteries. So far, I'm happy with this lights performance.

This quote is from the MFG "these lights are rated IP4 weatherproof and have a weatherproof seal, protecting them from steam, humidity and small amounts of water"

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01FIAWKCC/ref=ox_sc_5?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&th=1
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I've had this night light mounted to the bath/shower ceiling using velcro in my E21C for nearly a year with over 60 nights of camping. It's from amazon for $10.99 & still working great. The battery compartment is sealed with a rubber o-ring that's embedded into the battery access door.

I just checked the batteries & saw no corrosion or moisture inside & they are the original batteries. So far, I'm happy with this lights performance.

This quote is from the MFG "these lights are rated IP4 weatherproof and have a weatherproof seal, protecting them from steam, humidity and small amounts of water"

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01FIAWKCC/ref=ox_sc_5?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&th=1
those are the exact one that failed on me. "Last purchased Oct 23, 2023 Color: White ..."

the battery compartment was dry, but they just stopped working after a few months and a couple showers. Now, I did mount them under the bathroom sink, might not have been the best spot and likkely got a lot of shower water splatter.
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those are the exact one that failed on me. "Last purchased Oct 23, 2023 Color: White ..."

the battery compartment was dry, but they just stopped working after a few months and a couple showers. Now, I did mount them under the bathroom sink, might not have been the best spot and likkely got a lot of shower water splatter.
Good to know we have the same motion sensor light as I will monitor its performance as I really like this light for a reasonable $10.99 price. Mine is subjected to steam as it is mounted to the bath ceiling, above left of the medicine cabinet, so no direct water gets to it. Thank you for your info.
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those are the exact one that failed on me. "Last purchased Oct 23, 2023 Color: White ..."

the battery compartment was dry, but they just stopped working after a few months and a couple showers. Now, I did mount them under the bathroom sink, might not have been the best spot and likkely got a lot of shower water splatter.
We've had these for 4 yrs now with no issues. Sure beats the blinding overhead lite when nature calls middle of night.
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Great modification Chamberman and discussion of options by others with links to materials.

I use a 3/4 inch Close PVC to change the bathroom light into a nightlight, here is the link for the riser. These are normally used in irrigation systems to install sprinklers and such, they are fire resistant.
https://www.homedepot.com/p/Orbit-3-...126931#overlay

The first picture shows the light without the cover. The cover is easily removed. I use a small LED bulb shown on this link and the riser easily clears the bulb. Sorry that the pictures are rotated, the fixture is wall mounted,
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

The second picture shows the riser covering the LED light bulb, note that it touches the bulb when the cover is off.

The third picture shows that with the cover on, the riser is rotated to the vertical; the riser is now not touching the bulb. The light is on but it is daytime with the door open so you cannot see the nightlight effect.

The fourth picture shows a nighttime view of the nightlight. Longer risers decrease the light even more, but we like the lighting with a close riser.

This is an AI overview from Google when I searched for PVC Flammability:
Polyvinyl chloride (PVC) is a fire-resistant plastic with several properties that make it flammable than other materials:
Ignition temperature: Rigid PVC requires a temperature over 150 degrees Celsius higher than wood to ignite.
Limited flame spread: PVC produces a charred material that prevents flames from spreading, unlike most other plastics.
Self-extinguishing: PVC is naturally self-extinguishing because it contains chlorine, which slows down combustion and prevents oxygen from reaching the surface.
Low combustion heat: PVC releases less heat when it burns than other plastics.
Few flaming droplets: PVC produces few or no flaming droplets or debris when it burns.
Smoke production: PVC produces more smoke when it's on fire, but similar smoke densities to wood when it's not on fire.
PVC's fire properties are due to its chlorine content, which is one of the few elements that gives polymers good fire properties

I did a couple tests to determine if the risks due to fire or overheating was no higher than low.

First I used a propane torch to try to light a PVC riser on fire. The riser eventually started to melt and char without producing drops and when I finally got it to ignite, the fire went out quickly after I removed the torch flame. I think the risk due to fire is negligible.

I then tested for overheating by installing the riser and turning on the light. I put another riser on the ground outside of the trailer and turned on the inside light next to the door. I closed up the trailer and left in alone for 6 hours, from 10:00 AM to 4:00 PM.

It was a warm day. The peak air temperature was 90 degrees and there were no clouds and no shade. The elevation was 4,200 feet. The trailer was parked almost perpendicular to the sun travel so the trailer had good adverse solar loading on the passenger side.

After 6 hours, the PVC riser in the bathroom was 108 degrees F and the PVC riser outside of the trailer was 104 degrees F. The light bulb in the bathroom was 132 degrees F and the light bulb in the other fixture was 128 degrees F. I think the 4 degrees increase in temperatures is insignificant and the risk due to overheating is negligible.

The PVC riser works well for us. It is easy to use and costs less than 75 cents. I think it presents a negligible risk.
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I've had this night light mounted to the bath/shower ceiling using velcro in my E21C for nearly a year with over 60 nights of camping. It's from amazon for $10.99 & still working great. The battery compartment is sealed with a rubber o-ring that's embedded into the battery access door.

I just checked the batteries & saw no corrosion or moisture inside & they are the original batteries. So far, I'm happy with this lights performance.

This quote is from the MFG "these lights are rated IP4 weatherproof and have a weatherproof seal, protecting them from steam, humidity and small amounts of water"

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01FIAWKCC/ref=ox_sc_5?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&th=1
We recently bought a pair of these. They are called Mr. Beams Stick Anywhere Amber LED Night Light at Home Depot here in Canada. We tried one while camping last week.

We placed it on the top step, below the closet door, in the 5.0TA. It is out of the way and there was no need to adhere it in any manner, it just stood up and stayed in place. As soon as I poked my toe out of the bed at night it came on and lit up the step area with a nice, soft, warm glow.

Both of us found it provided plenty of light for using the bathroom and don't feel we need to mount one directly in the bathroom. Plus, the warm light didn't mess with our night vision.
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