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01-02-2021, 04:21 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Madison area, Wisconsin
Trailer: 2016 Escape 19 Chevy 2012 Express 3500 Van
Posts: 1,734
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E19 cubby
Not from dire need, but from pandemic boredom, I made an insert to go below the furnace and utilize unused space.
Measure twice, cut once. Yeah, yeah.
I got an idea of what was behind the paneling with removing the propane detector and looking in and taking a depth measurement. I made the cubby and then took oscillating saw to the paneling. What I couldn't see (lost my X-ray vision long ago) was a 2" diameter black plastic plumbing pipe on the far right front corner of the opening. No injury done with the cut-out, but it did mean that my cubby was too wide. Back to the table saw, snip snip, and it looked like it would fit. 2 strips were epoxied to the rear to support the cubby insert during installation. I got it in place, but a bit of a cobble job with visible fasteners holding it in place. And so it goes. I may use the plastic button covers on the fasteners, or not. Insert is not centered, but no good options to change that other than redoing the whole shebang.
This project has cured me of any near term need to utilize hidden space.
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01-02-2021, 04:44 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2018
Location: North of Edmonton, Alberta
Trailer: 2018 -21-picked up in May 2019 / 2018 F 150 5.0
Posts: 254
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Very nice. I don't think I have the carpentry skills to pull that off but maybe some day.
I get nervous thinking of putting even a small hole in the paneling.
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01-05-2021, 08:48 AM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: Johnson City, Texas
Trailer: 2019 19 ft.
Posts: 484
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Dimensions???
Quote:
Originally Posted by HABBERDABBER
I got an idea of what was behind the paneling with removing the propane detector and looking in and taking a depth measurement.
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Nice idea. Looks good. Want to also cut once. What would be the best cubby dimensions, given the pipe?
73/gus
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01-05-2021, 09:27 AM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Madison area, Wisconsin
Trailer: 2016 Escape 19 Chevy 2012 Express 3500 Van
Posts: 1,734
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Cubby
Your Gen2 rig may be different.
My insert was 11.5" deep, 8" high and 11.5" wide. Problem for me was the width. I pulled it off, but just barely.
You don't really gain a lot of space, but some utility now where there was none.
If you can get a camera or a cell phone video of the interior before cutting, you can get a better idea what and where is there. There is wood framing that was very near my paneling cut-out. Check that out.
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01-05-2021, 10:30 AM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: Kelowna, British Columbia
Trailer: 2018 Escape 19
Posts: 2,716
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Nice cubby.
Anybody with a late model trailer may want to look at this link which explains what I found behind the wall of my 2018 model 19. Two gas pipes in my case ran in the area, both of which I could see by removing the detector. It would have been nice if they were not there as they would interfere with installing a cubby. However for what I wanted to do it is not that much of a problem and well worth the effort to make a hiddy hole.
https://www.escapeforum.org/forums/f...tml#post276671
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01-05-2021, 10:42 AM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Burlington Twp., New Jersey
Trailer: 2010 Escape 19
Posts: 7,123
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Quote:
Originally Posted by HABBERDABBER
What I couldn't see (lost my X-ray vision long ago) was a 2" diameter black plastic plumbing pipe on the far right front corner of the opening.
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Nice work on your cubby. That is the bathroom sink drain pipe with a vent that extends upwards that some have found open ended. It might be a good idea to check if it has an air admittance valve (AAV) aka cheater vent. Some (early?) 19's appear to have one from the factory (ours does) but not all trailers. This thread covers it:
https://www.escapeforum.org/forums/f...work-5834.html
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01-05-2021, 05:15 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Madison area, Wisconsin
Trailer: 2016 Escape 19 Chevy 2012 Express 3500 Van
Posts: 1,734
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Escape model differences
I did not have 2 gas lines in this area...only 1 copper tube supply that was not in the way and to the left of the opening. Electrical wires in there too, but my insert cleared them easily, as they had plenty of slack.
Any trailer rig build-out will differ by changes in a components availability, code practices, manufacturing practice, state-of-the-art, etc.
Don't assume anything. I keep re-learning that lesson, I assume.
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01-09-2021, 11:11 AM
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#8
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Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Madison area, Wisconsin
Trailer: 2016 Escape 19 Chevy 2012 Express 3500 Van
Posts: 1,734
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Finishing up
I got around to dealing with the unintended face frame fasteners on this project. I removed the construction screws, countersunk the holes, replaced with beveled head screws and capped the screws with "Fast Caps". These are wood discs, pre-finished, with adhesive backing and are about 1/2" diameter. They come in 70 varieties and I got mine at a big box supply store. An improvement in appearance.
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01-09-2021, 12:18 PM
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#9
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Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Phoenix, Arizona
Trailer: 2015 Escape 19 "Seventy Degrees"
Posts: 3,495
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Nice project and good work.
Might double as a good bread or sock warmer in the winter months.
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01-09-2021, 03:15 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Nov 2018
Location: Northern California, California
Trailer: 2019 Escape 21
Posts: 759
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You are a skilled craftsmen, Habberdabber. Looks very nice. This however, reminds me of a request we put in to Escape for our 21 build. Our furnace vent has 2 drawers located just above it. We asked if those 2 drawers could be switched out for one large cabinet, in that same area instead. The response we got was a firm 'no', because we were told that the furnace needed a certain amount of ventilation all around it for it to operate safe and well according to the manufacturer...and a cabinet so close to it would void the warranty. Thus, you may want to double check your furnace specs to ensure adequate ventilation and safety. Hopefully you are fine. -Bea
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01-09-2021, 03:20 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: Kelowna, British Columbia
Trailer: 2018 Escape 19
Posts: 2,716
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bea
You are a skilled craftsmen, Habberdabber. Looks very nice. This however, reminds me of a request we put in to Escape for our 21 build. Our furnace vent has 2 drawers located just above it. We asked if those 2 drawers could be switched out for one large cabinet, in that same area instead. The response we got was a firm 'no', because we were told that the furnace needed a certain amount of ventilation all around it for it to operate safe and well according to the manufacturer...and a cabinet so close to it would void the warranty. Thus, you may want to double check your furnace specs to ensure adequate ventilation and safety. Hopefully you are fine. -Bea
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The furnace sits on a plywood shelf that completely isolates it from the area below where the cubbyhole is.
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01-09-2021, 03:22 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Nov 2018
Location: Northern California, California
Trailer: 2019 Escape 21
Posts: 759
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Eggscape
The furnace sits on a plywood shelf that completely isolates it from the area below where the cubbyhole is.
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Perfect! -Bea
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01-09-2021, 06:18 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: Juneau, Alaska
Trailer: 2016 Escape 19
Posts: 555
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Looks like a great place to put extra toilet paper or dish towels any number of things
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01-09-2021, 06:29 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: Kelowna, British Columbia
Trailer: 2018 Escape 19
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Funny you should mention that. Mine holds 20 rolls.
I find when describing an area such as this, people can relate to the T roll.
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01-13-2021, 10:45 AM
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Junior Member
Join Date: Sep 2018
Location: West Palm Beach, Florida
Trailer: 2015 Casita
Posts: 16
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Awesome job!
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01-13-2021, 03:17 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: Johnson City, Texas
Trailer: 2019 19 ft.
Posts: 484
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Trash in cubby area
Quote:
Originally Posted by Eggscape
Funny you should mention that. Mine holds 20 rolls.
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Removed our CO/Propane detector beneath the furnace to see what useful space we have. Guess what we found?
Sure hope that PEX clamp isn't supposed to be on a fixture?
We have this black hose on left side, which we think is propane to heater.
We have the black vent pipe on the right side, along with more trash.
Will provide useful storage, once we clean it and reroute some wiring.
Anyone know what the blue wire might be?
Will let ETI know about this lack of quality control and poor craftspersonship. This trash should not be left in anyone's build.
73/gus
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K5MCL & KR4K
2019 E19' (F1), Mercedes Sprinter 2500 or GLS580
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01-13-2021, 03:19 PM
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#17
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Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Phoenix, Arizona
Trailer: 2015 Escape 19 "Seventy Degrees"
Posts: 3,495
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Wow, what a mess. I'm getting ready to open mine up and hope I don't find similar.
Blue wire is normally brakes.
Where are you relocating propane detector?
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01-13-2021, 06:10 PM
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#18
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Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Madison area, Wisconsin
Trailer: 2016 Escape 19 Chevy 2012 Express 3500 Van
Posts: 1,734
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Ahhhh...the "classics"
I found nothing amiss or left behind in my project. You do have some questions to be asked and answered. Shouldn't happen.
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01-13-2021, 06:44 PM
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#19
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Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: Kelowna, British Columbia
Trailer: 2018 Escape 19
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I put my sensor back on the door I made for the hole. However you could put it over to the left.
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01-13-2021, 06:52 PM
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Site Team
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Portland, Oregon
Trailer: 2014 Escape 5.0 TA
Posts: 11,023
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Eggscape
I put my sensor back on the door I made for the hole. However you could put it over to the left.
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How did you run the wires? I don't see any for all the items you added to the front of the door in this post: https://www.escapeforum.org/forums/f...tml#post276671
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