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Old 10-12-2021, 04:05 PM   #21
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When you installed the Barker VIP 3000, was there appropriate clearance between the jack and propane cover? Also, can you drop your F250 tailgate with the trailer hitched or does the jack power head interfere?
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Old 10-12-2021, 04:06 PM   #22
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Barker is what I installed , 3 years now and happy ! Pat
When you installed the Barker VIP 3000, was there appropriate clearance between the jack and propane cover? Also, can you drop your F250 tailgate with the trailer hitched or does the jack power head interfere?
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Old 10-12-2021, 04:34 PM   #23
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When you installed the Barker VIP 3000, was there appropriate clearance between the jack and propane cover? Also, can you drop your F250 tailgate with the trailer hitched or does the jack power head interfere?
Hi yes no problem dropping the tailgate on our truck . We do have extended hitch ,will get you a picture . I looked on Oliver website because that is the electric hitch they use and turned the head to the side . Very easy to to do just by loosening the screws . I will enclose a couple of pictures for you .Because of a little interference from box Iid I purchased a cover for 30 lbs tanks which is a little higher and now box lid clears fine . Actually turning the electric Jack head allows me better view of the levels on side of trailer . I replaced those too with better levels .Barker also has a nice level on the top of the Jack . Pat
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Old 10-12-2021, 05:45 PM   #24
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Bulldog 500187 is great with the 8" of drop leg making total available height 22".
I turned it 90 degrees easily.
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Old 10-12-2021, 06:28 PM   #25
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Bulldog 500187 is great with the 8" of drop leg making total available height 22".
I turned it 90 degrees easily.
Hi Ross I think you can get two lengths with the Barker Too . Nice looking Jack though your Bulldog . Pat
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Old 10-12-2021, 06:34 PM   #26
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Bulldog 500187 is great with the 8" of drop leg making total available height 22".
I turned it 90 degrees easily.
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Powered Drive Tongue Jack, A-Frame, 14" Travel, Black Case, Rating 3,500 lbs.
(It comes with a white cover, too: 500188)
That's 22" of total height adjustment (8" drop + 22" powered extension), with an installed height from foot to mounting plate of 9.5"... so it could lift the top of the tongue to 31.5" above the ground.

If the coupling height (roughly the same as the top-of-tongue height) is 21" (varies by model and use of the lift kit), with the initial 9.5" height and dropping the leg 8", it would only take 3.5" of powered extension to start lifting the tongue.
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Old 10-12-2021, 06:47 PM   #27
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Hi Ross I think you can get two lengths with the Barker Too .
The flyer and brochure say that there are 18" travel and 24" stoke versions of the 3500 pound (larger tube) model.

the longer-stroke version will have a longer body, but neither the brochure nor the instructions give height specs, so I don't know if that means that the longer one hangs down further or sticks up higher or some combination.
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Old 10-14-2021, 02:00 PM   #28
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Powered Drive Tongue Jack, A-Frame, 14" Travel, Black Case, Rating 3,500 lbs.
(It comes with a white cover, too: 500188)
That's 22" of total height adjustment (8" drop + 22" powered extension), with an installed height from foot to mounting plate of 9.5"... so it could lift the top of the tongue to 31.5" above the ground.

If the coupling height (roughly the same as the top-of-tongue height) is 21" (varies by model and use of the lift kit), with the initial 9.5" height and dropping the leg 8", it would only take 3.5" of powered extension to start lifting the tongue.
Found and purchased at a LARGE on line retailer for what appears to be a really good deal in white. (500188).
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That's 22" of total height adjustment (8" drop + 22" powered extension), with an installed height from foot to mounting plate of 9.5"... so it could lift the top of the tongue to 31.5" above the ground.
Minor typo - 8" drop + 14" powered extension for a total of 22" height adjustment. I like the drop leg idea so I'm looking at this seriously in lieu of the Barker VIP now.
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Old 10-14-2021, 03:51 PM   #30
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Minor typo - 8" drop + 14" powered extension for a total of 22" height adjustment.
I must not have had my coffee yet when I repeated the 22" value... yeah, let's say that was it. The 14" value is listed as "travel" in Bulldog's specs.
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I like the drop leg idea so I'm looking at this seriously in lieu of the Barker VIP now.
I agree. A drop leg is easy to incorporate into the design of a jack like this, so it's disappointing that it isn't more common. Some (such as the 4,000-pound version of this Bulldog) even have a spring-loaded captive pin design, making it even more convenient than the usual pull-out pin.
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Old 10-14-2021, 05:34 PM   #31
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.... A drop leg is easy to incorporate into the design of a jack like this, so it's disappointing that it isn't more common....
Just FYI it appears that the lower leg on most jacks is a standard 2" outside diameter with indented groove, making a drop leg retrofit possible for folks wanting to add that to an existing jack:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08HQC8LDK...NsaWNrPXRydWU=

https://www.amazon.com/Bulldog-50019.../dp/B004R3A91Q

Even the nifty 'clamp on' Bulldog spring-loaded pin assembly is available as a replacement part, Bulldog PN 500388

The videos here show how it goes together, nothing about it seems specific to Bulldog jacks per se.
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Old 10-15-2021, 01:02 PM   #32
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FYI - I just measured the standard hand-crank jack diameter on our trailer. It appears to be 2 1/4" diameter, not a 2" diameter post.
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FYI - I just measured the standard hand-crank jack diameter on our trailer. It appears to be 2 1/4" diameter, not a 2" diameter post.
Are you measuring the the fixed post above the frame, or the lower post that moves when you crank?

The latter is the post of interest if looking at the adjustable extension mentioned above (the post that the extension fits into).

Perhaps the manual crank jack is different, on mine with the Lippert power jack the lower (moving) post where the extension would fit is 2" OD.
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Old 10-15-2021, 01:31 PM   #34
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The fixed post that extends through the frame is just shy of 2 1/4". The post that extends from the jack is shy of 2".
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The fixed post that extends through the frame is just shy of 2 1/4". The post that extends from the jack is shy of 2".
OK, "just shy" sounds like perhaps the difference between nominal and actual pipe dimensions, but if concerned about ordering the extension for your manual jack, don't do it, no worries!

If one is inclined to try it 'risk free', there's always the option of ordering an item "Fulfilled by Amazon" with "free return" noted on the sales page - that includes no-cost return shipping and though I certainly don't make a habit of it I've used that a couple of times with the reason for return being 'does not fit my application' and Amazon has accepted that no problem.

In any case, good luck in your search for a jack arrangement suiting your requirements, Have Fun!
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Old 10-15-2021, 09:02 PM   #36
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FYI

I'm in the process, slow as it is, of hacking the manual crank to be actuated with a cordless drill. See my previous post in this thread.
While diddling today, I noticed a zerk grease fitting on the backside of the tongue jack post. Never saw it before.
Anyone having trouble with raising or lowering should try some grease in there. I'm going to.
I will post a pic tomorrow, or soon.
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Old 10-20-2021, 12:07 PM   #37
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One of the options that I potentially regret not ordering on our trailer is a power tongue jack. So, for the forum:

- Is your power tongue jack reliable?
- What brand/model do you have?
- Any concerns with installation? I have noted on the forum that some people have inverted the installation to allow a truck tailgate to drop while the trailer is still on the hitch ball. It is not clear to me what this means since the jack attachment appears to be a triangle and hence not invertible by 180 degrees. What am I missing?

thanks in advance
We have a 2019 21C which came with the Lippert power tongue jack 285318. It is nice to have, especially with the weight distributing hitch, which requires using the jack a few times at every set up and departure. On arrival at one site this summer though, the jack was dead. Of course it was at the end of a very tiring drive, 30 degrees Celsius, and smoky as hell. Removing a cover on the top allows a manual crank, which I at first tried with my cordless drill, but the torque just about broke my wrist, so I used a breaker bar and socket, and got unhooked eventually, but it was hard work. It turned out that the fuse had blown, but took me a while to find it- it is in-line a few feet back from the jack under the A-frame, as I'm sure most non-nubies know already. I had a spare, so just a matter of changing it out, and all was well. I did alter my WDH a bit so that I didn't have to jack up so high after that.
I have an F150, and I cannot fully open the tailgate when hitched up because of contact with the head of the jack.
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These gals have an F150 with a 2019 21C. They rotated the Lippert jack head to be able to open the tailgate. Simple and easy to do - I did it with my '15 Tundra.

Just take your time. Here's the video:

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These gals have an F150 with a 2019 21C. They rotated the Lippert jack head to be able to open the tailgate. Simple and easy to do - I did it with my '15 Tundra.

Just take your time. Here's the video:

That's funny, I was just watching that video! You'd think Lippert would think to pre-tap the other holes to allow this. My trailer is put away for the winter now, but I will try this in the spring, thanks!
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These gals have an F150 with a 2019 21C. They rotated the Lippert jack head to be able to open the tailgate. Simple and easy to do - I did it with my '15 Tundra.

Just take your time. Here's the video:

Maybe it's just me but I would think that in most cases you would want it with controls rotated towards the drivers side. That is the side you typically approach the jack from when coming back to hitch or unhitch.

A boat I bought last summer had the jack mounted on the passengers side. One of the first things I did was flipped it around to the driver's side. Disliked having to jump over the tongue or walking around the vehicle to hitch/unhitch.
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