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01-26-2019, 02:06 PM
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12v power but no 120 AC power.
Nothing that plugs in to a standard outlet is working in our trailer but the 12v stuff like the fridge is fine when we are connected to power. We are driving now but will look at it tonight when we get to Bakersfield.
We had a battery issue last fall which turned out to be a fuse problem on the battery. I’m guessing this problem is some how related to that. Do you think this is just another fuse problem? Or is there something else we will need to look at?
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01-26-2019, 02:31 PM
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Check your GFCI outlet to make sure it’s not tripped. It is probably on the outside of the trailer.
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01-26-2019, 02:45 PM
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yeah, that surprised me, I didn't realize one GFCI outlet could protect several... I've had to reset mine several times. same on the casita, but the GFCI was on the outlet near the kitchenette, and protected the outside outlet.
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01-26-2019, 02:46 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by John in Santa Cruz
yeah, that surprised me, I didn't realize one GFCI outlet could protect several... I've had to reset mine several times. same on the casita, but the GFCI was on the outlet near the kitchenette, and protected the outside outlet.
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Yes, it is frustrating the first time it happens. But then you never forget, right?
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01-26-2019, 03:15 PM
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Are other 120V appliances working? The GFI outlet only protects itself and maybe one or two outlets near the galley. If other outlets are not working your problem is further down the line. Check all the breakers in your power center to make sure none are tripped. If you have the inverter option that is wired to all outlets you should also have another gray box under one of the seats that has two additional breakers.
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01-26-2019, 03:17 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sclifrickson
Check your GFCI outlet to make sure it’s not tripped. It is probably on the outside of the trailer.
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Good idea. That’s an easy fix I will check it first!
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01-26-2019, 04:58 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jill
We had a battery issue last fall which turned out to be a fuse problem on the battery. I’m guessing this problem is some how related to that. Do you think this is just another fuse problem?
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No, if you are plugged into external (shore") power - not running on an inverter - nothing in the 12-volt DC system has any effect on the 120 volt AC system. There are no fuses in the AC power system.
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01-26-2019, 05:15 PM
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the AC side has circuit breakers rather than fuses
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01-26-2019, 05:40 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by John in Santa Cruz
the AC side has circuit breakers rather than fuses
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Good to know. I learn a little bit every day. Thanks!
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01-26-2019, 07:29 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rubicon327
Are other 120V appliances working? The GFI outlet only protects itself and maybe one or two outlets near the galley. If other outlets are not working your problem is further down the line. Check all the breakers in your power center to make sure none are tripped. If you have the inverter option that is wired to all outlets you should also have another gray box under one of the seats that has two additional breakers.
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Thank you SO very much. We do have the inverter and needed to flip the breakers on the gray box. Whew! We are ready to camp again. Thanks again. This forum and people like you who are so helpful have saved us a few times. Thank you!!!
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01-26-2019, 08:37 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jill
Thank you SO very much. We do have the inverter and needed to flip the breakers on the gray box. Whew! We are ready to camp again. Thanks again. This forum and people like you who are so helpful have saved us a few times. Thank you!!!
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Now we might want to think about why those breakers tripped...
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01-28-2019, 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by rubicon327
Now we might want to think about why those breakers tripped...
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Oh we think we know what caused it. On our last trip “we” incorrectly disconnected from shore power and blew the main fuse on the battery. So perhaps it also tripped the breaker on the inverter or in attempting to fix the battery problem we did something that tripped the inverter breaker. Not sure exactly what went wrong but you can be sure we will never connect/disconnect incorrectly again!
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01-28-2019, 05:29 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jill
Oh we think we know what caused it. On our last trip “we” incorrectly disconnected from shore power and blew the main fuse on the battery. So perhaps it also tripped the breaker on the inverter or in attempting to fix the battery problem we did something that tripped the inverter breaker. Not sure exactly what went wrong but you can be sure we will never connect/disconnect incorrectly again!
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If you don’t mind sharing, how did you disconnect incorrectly such that it blew the battery fuse? And so’s we’re clear, where exactly was that fuse?
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01-28-2019, 05:47 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sclifrickson
If you don’t mind sharing, how did you disconnect incorrectly such that it blew the battery fuse? And so’s we’re clear, where exactly was that fuse?
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It's a long story - take a look at this thread.
http://www.escapeforum.org/forums/f9...ues-13003.html
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01-28-2019, 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by tdf-texas
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That...is a long, long thread. I remember most of it from way back when. Just went back through it again, but did not see anything from Jill, or regarding how she could have blown a fuse by "improperly disconnecting" her trailer.
I'd still like to know what she meant by that.
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01-28-2019, 07:32 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sclifrickson
That...is a long, long thread. I remember most of it from way back when. Just went back through it again, but did not see anything from Jill, or regarding how she could have blown a fuse by "improperly disconnecting" her trailer.
I'd still like to know what she meant by that.
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This is the thread, but not sure what you want to know is fully explained.
http://www.escapeforum.org/forums/f9...-it-13806.html
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01-29-2019, 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by rubicon327
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Yes, I perused that thread as well, but the mystery remains unanswered.
Jill, could you enlighten us as to how you incorrectly disconnected, causing a fuse to blow? I’d really like to know so I can avoid whatever it is.
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01-29-2019, 04:23 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sclifrickson
Yes, I perused that thread as well, but the mystery remains unanswered.
Jill, could you enlighten us as to how you incorrectly disconnected, causing a fuse to blow? I’d really like to know so I can avoid whatever it is.
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To be sure we don’t know exactly what caused the fuse to blow. The only thing we can think of that we did wrong was disconnecting at the trailer first then the post without first turning off the breaker on the post.
And very important is that the blown fuse was on the battery not in the fuse box. At first we didn’t understand to look at the battery.
Hope that helps explain it!
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01-29-2019, 04:28 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jill
To be sure we don’t know exactly what caused the fuse to blow. The only thing we can think of that we did wrong was disconnecting at the trailer first then the post without first turning off the breaker on the post.
And very important is that the blown fuse was on the battery not in the fuse box. At first we didn’t understand to look at the battery.
Hope that helps explain it!
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The fuse on the battery gets blown when: - The 7 pin connector gets wet and shorts
- The tow vehicle is started with the 7 pin connected.
- The wiring from the battery to the converter fuse panel shorts
There are other reasons but #1, #2, and #3 get the most votes. #1 is by far the most common.
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01-29-2019, 08:58 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tdf-texas
The fuse on the battery gets blown when: - The 7 pin connector gets wet and shorts
- The tow vehicle is started with the 7 pin connected.
- The wiring from the battery to the converter fuse panel shorts
There are other reasons but #1, #2, and #3 get the most votes. #1 is by far the most common.
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Very good to know. Thank you so much!
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