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06-23-2019, 07:55 AM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Jeromesville, Ohio
Trailer: 2014 Escape 21' pulled with 2014 Silverado Crewcab
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Cracked toilet valve
Getting the trailer out yesterday and getting ready to dewinterize. Accidently cycled the pump and later discovered a puddle of antifreeze on bathroom floor. Found toilet valve cracked at black fitting. In researching a replacement, discovered that this is a typical failure for this valve. Glad to have the optional shutoff ahead of toilet. I ordered two valves, one for spare parts. Valves $22 USD on Amazon.
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06-23-2019, 08:41 AM
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Join Date: Nov 2018
Location: Left turn at Albuquerque, New Mexico
Trailer: 505 5.0TA
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Do you happen to have a link? I'm bookmarking tips like yours.
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06-23-2019, 09:09 AM
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Join Date: May 2013
Location: ..., New Mexico
Trailer: 2013 Esc19/'14 Silvrado
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That's an excellent price!! I bought mine through a local RV parts department.
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06-23-2019, 09:21 AM
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Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: Port Townsend, Washington
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Carl, for the benefit of the group would you mind sharing the particulars of how you winterized and conditions the trailer was subjected to while winterized, or any other thoughts or info about how the failure occurred?
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06-23-2019, 11:39 AM
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Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Central, Pennsylvania
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The picture reveals the valve is full of antifreeze? wonder what happened?
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06-23-2019, 12:17 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2018
Location: Austin, Texas
Trailer: 2019 5.0TA "Junior", 2019 Ram 1500 5.7 Hemi
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cpaharley2008
The picture reveals the valve is full of antifreeze? wonder what happened?
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Looking at Amazon reviews it sounds like the plastic at the fitting is prone to cracking, combination of stiff supply line and the usual bouncing around like everything else in a trailer, it is apparently a weak point. There is another valve also on Amazon that claims to be a more durable plastic that holds up better than the original....who knows? https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B07F2SKL...v_ov_lig_dp_it
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06-23-2019, 01:46 PM
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Senior Member
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Location: Left turn at Albuquerque, New Mexico
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Quote:
Originally Posted by davidmurphy02
Looking at Amazon reviews it sounds like the plastic at the fitting is prone to cracking, combination of stiff supply line and the usual bouncing around like everything else in a trailer, it is apparently a weak point. There is another valve also on Amazon that claims to be a more durable plastic that holds up better than the original....who knows? https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B07F2SKL...v_ov_lig_dp_it
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Bookmarked!
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06-23-2019, 03:12 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Southwick, Massachusetts
Trailer: None, sold my 2014 5.0TA
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I had a showed control break over the winter with anti freeze in it on my last trailer, the goop isn't perfect.
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06-23-2019, 07:45 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: Middlesex County, New Jersey
Trailer: 2019 Escape 21C
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Quote:
Originally Posted by davidmurphy02
Looking at Amazon reviews it sounds like the plastic at the fitting is prone to cracking, combination of stiff supply line and the usual bouncing around like everything else in a trailer, it is apparently a weak point. There is another valve also on Amazon that claims to be a more durable plastic that holds up better than the original....who knows? https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B07F2SKL...v_ov_lig_dp_it
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Saved the linked product in my Amazon wish list!
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06-23-2019, 10:10 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Jeromesville, Ohio
Trailer: 2014 Escape 21' pulled with 2014 Silverado Crewcab
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Quote:
Originally Posted by davidmurphy02
Looking at Amazon reviews it sounds like the plastic at the fitting is prone to cracking, combination of stiff supply line and the usual bouncing around like everything else in a trailer, it is apparently a weak point. There is another valve also on Amazon that claims to be a more durable plastic that holds up better than the original....who knows? https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B07F2SKL...v_ov_lig_dp_it
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Same info I found. Didn't see the new improved. I will stick with the factory valves for now. Point of info, trailer was heavily winterized. I go through about 6 gallons of antifreeze with heavy flushing.
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06-24-2019, 07:20 AM
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Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Central, Pennsylvania
Trailer: Escape#5 2022 E19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by skiman
Same info I found. Didn't see the new improved. I will stick with the factory valves for now. Point of info, trailer was heavily winterized. I go through about 6 gallons of antifreeze with heavy flushing.
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Wow, that is a lot, do you not have the Ez-Winterizing "T" set up or put antifreeze in tank. Even using a hand pump, 2 gallon was all I used, one with the Ez-set up.
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06-24-2019, 07:41 AM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Jeromesville, Ohio
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cpaharley2008
Wow, that is a lot, do you not have the Ez-Winterizing "T" set up or put antifreeze in tank. Even using a hand pump, 2 gallon was all I used, one with the Ez-set up.
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I have the EZ but prefer filling the tank and pumping through the system. Overkill i know. Use a half gallon in traps. Burp the city water inlet.
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06-24-2019, 10:58 PM
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Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: Port Townsend, Washington
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Quote:
Originally Posted by skiman
I have the EZ but prefer filling the tank and pumping through the system. Overkill i know. Use a half gallon in traps. Burp the city water inlet.
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So why do you think the valve froze? Antifreeze should have protected it down to minus-whatever-degrees, right? Did it get colder than that? Did you blow out the lines before antifreezing, or just displace the water that was there? I’d like to learn how “what seems should have been good enough” failed.
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06-25-2019, 08:42 AM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Jeromesville, Ohio
Trailer: 2014 Escape 21' pulled with 2014 Silverado Crewcab
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sclifrickson
So why do you think the valve froze? Antifreeze should have protected it down to minus-whatever-degrees, right? Did it get colder than that? Did you blow out the lines before antifreezing, or just displace the water that was there? I’d like to learn how “what seems should have been good enough” failed.
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The valve did not freeze. Apparently the valve has a known weakness at this fitting and they crack there. Many accounts on line of them being susceptable to vibration and shock. We went through some terrible roads last summer on our Nova Scotia trip. Was hard on my 1Up bike rack too. My guess is the winter temperature swings were enough to finally cause it to fail.
I'll guarantee that it did not freeze, since I pump plenty of antifreeze through the system to purge any water. Typiclly i go through 5 gallon plus. Part of the reason I use so much antifreeze is to avoid having to blow out lines. Some of the stuff that comes out compressed air sources is pretty nasty.
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06-25-2019, 09:00 AM
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Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: Baytown, Texas
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Quote:
Originally Posted by skiman
The valve did not freeze. Apparently the valve has a known weakness at this fitting and they crack there. Many accounts on line of them being susceptable to vibration and shock. We went through some terrible roads last summer on our Nova Scotia trip. Was hard on my 1Up bike rack too. My guess is the winter temperature swings were enough to finally cause it to fail.
I'll guarantee that it did not freeze, since I pump plenty of antifreeze through the system to purge any water. Typiclly i go through 5 gallon plus. Part of the reason I use so much antifreeze is to avoid having to blow out lines. Some of the stuff that comes out compressed air sources is pretty nasty.
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Of course now that you have a spare, the valve will never fail again!
I had heard tales of the valve cracking when I had the Casita and bought a spare just in case. Six years later, I still have the spare. I carry it with me every trip I make which means I will probably never need it. Isn't that how it always works?
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06-25-2019, 10:28 AM
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Location: Portland, Oregon
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I think we can be so concerned about something breaking or maybe stops working while we're traveling we forget you can adapt. For instance, I'd never consider replacing the toilet supply valve while on the road. Because don't you need to pull the toilet and once that's done also replace the seal between toilet and black water tank? With my luck something would go horribly wrong and then I wouldn't have a toilet at all. I'd shut off the water supply line, flush with jug water and carry on.
I know I'd much prefer doing repairs at home, with all the tools I have and lots of time too.
As long as my trailer is safe to go down the road, I'd treat it like a hard-sided tent! YMMV
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06-25-2019, 11:09 AM
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Location: Baytown, Texas
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Donna D.
I think we can be so concerned about something breaking or maybe stops working while we're traveling we forget you can adapt. For instance, I'd never consider replacing the toilet supply valve while on the road. Because don't you need to pull the toilet and once that's done also replace the seal between toilet and black water tank? With my luck something would go horribly wrong and then I wouldn't have a toilet at all. I'd shut off the water supply line, flush with jug water and carry on.
I know I'd much prefer doing repairs at home, with all the tools I have and lots of time too.
As long as my trailer is safe to go down the road, I'd treat it like a hard-sided tent! YMMV
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If a part may need to be replaced on the road, I always try it first at home for difficulty and any special tools needed. That said, I found that changing the toilet valve takes about 15 minutes and doesn't require removing the toilet in the 21'. It's really simple to do if you can get to the back of the toilet - I guess if the toilet was butted up to the back wall, it may have to be removed but the Escapes all seem to have enough space behind the toilet.
Oh, a small shaving mirror helps to see what your doing!
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07-03-2019, 10:17 AM
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Member
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: Bozeman, Montana
Trailer: 21' foot 2019
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I had that happen the first winter, in Montana. i drained the system but didn't blow it out. That toilet valve is the one place that doesn't drain (it could have a petcock valve but it doesn't).
I ordered a new valve which came quickly. But I was not able to swap it out without pulling the toilet, which also ended up requiring a new wax ring.
I use the air compressor now, to blow it all out. No trouble since. I don't use anti-freeze in the water system.
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